Pronman Top Prospects 2019

[UnSandvich]

Not sure if it's been posted yet or whatnot, but Pronman put his Top Prospects up on The Athletic this morning. Link is behind paywall (but the Athletic has some real quality content, so I think it's worth it).

Pronman: Ranking the top prospects for the 2019 NHL Draft

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[Kaako Kappo]

I asked him in the comments about why Kakko's physical abilites have not impressed him and his answer was:

Ya I'd change that in hindsight, I wrote that a few weeks ago. Talking to scout friends last week they also commented how well he was winning battles. When I saw him last year I didn't see that.

He has not even seen the guy who's ranked #2 on his list play this season.

 

[EnglishJet]

I asked him in the comments about why Kakko's physical abilites have not impressed him and his answer was:

Ya I'd change that in hindsight, I wrote that a few weeks ago. Talking to scout friends last week they also commented how well he was winning battles. When I saw him last year I didn't see that.

He has not even seen the guy who's ranked #2 on his list play this season.

Amazes me this guy still has a job...

 

[OvermanKingGainer]

He has not even seen the guy who's ranked #2 on his list play this season.

This season is like... two weeks old. Even if he had seen the guy play this season, it wouldn't be a huge sample size of play.

 

[DDRhockey]

pronman losing credibility fast

 

[Kaako Kappo]

This season is like... two weeks old. Even if he had seen the guy play this season, it wouldn't be a huge sample size of play.

Nah. Kakko has been super super impressive in his 10 Liiga games, plus the CHL games and preseason games. That's enough sample size. It's absurd that he hasn't watched a guy and then calls his easily most impressive qualities "not wow'ing". Liiga season started almost a month ago (plus CHL and preaseason)

 

[SoundAndFury]

This season is like... two weeks old. Even if he had seen the guy play this season, it wouldn't be a huge sample size of play.

TPS play their 15th non-friendly game today, the season to them is a month and two weeks old.

 

[kroypuck]

Why does this guy even cover prospects? His descriptions for some of the players are so far off...just bizarre.

 

[nowhereman]

pronman losing credibility fast

Credibility? This is the same guy who had Pettersson as the #10 ranked prospect, going into the season, with Heiskanen at #14. I find a lot of his lists are just hot takes and contrarian opinions designed to elicit clicks and subscriptions.

 

[Dumpster Flyers]

Baffling update.

Highlights: Owen Tippett at #3, Bode Wilde at #21, Ruslan Iskhakov at #30.

Credibility? This is the same guy who had Pettersson as the #10 ranked prospect, going into the season, with Heiskanen at #14. I find a lot of his lists are just hot takes and contrarian opinions designed to elicit clicks and subscriptions.

I used to like Pronman and thought his lists were well researched and unique, albeit unconventional to the point of contrarian. What makes him stand out is he takes great lengths to be impartial and independent, in that he clearly isn't influenced by consensus opinion and bases his opinions on his own viewings and analysis.

Having said that... I think where he went disastrously wrong is going too far in that direction. If you try to watch every single prospect and form an opinion exclusively on those viewings, you're not going to get a large enough sample size for precise or reliable evaluations. There's a reason NHL teams employ several scouts covering their own regions. Now he's useless.

 

[Willis88]

he's such a pretentious clown. His rating system is so absurd and his evaluations are copy and pasted from prospect to prospect. He makes it clear that he rarely sees prospects in person.

 

[Legend123]

Where is zegras, byram, and dorofoyev ranked at.

 

[Tkachuk Norris]

Still remember when he had Johnny Hockey at 42 after his 2 Ppg season.

He also said “I don’t see what Johnny does well” “he’s small and not especially skilled”

He then proceeded to go back and edit his post and he placed Gaudreau at 12 after a year. The guy is a loser with zero insight into prospects

 

[16thOverallSaveUs]

I think pronman is a good prospect evaluator, but he simply doesn’t have enough time to see all of the players he is “evaluating”. It’s impossible with the grind of a season. That’s why many teams have 20+ Scouts Who strictly watch a primary league or two. I think Corey refers to other scouts views too much and it could benefit him to not try and speak to things he isn’t 100% on. I overall do value corey’s Opinion; you just have to take it with a grain of salt.

 

[kelsier]

I asked him in the comments about why Kakko's physical abilites have not impressed him and his answer was:

Ya I'd change that in hindsight, I wrote that a few weeks ago. Talking to scout friends last week they also commented how well he was winning battles. When I saw him last year I didn't see that.

He has not even seen the guy who's ranked #2 on his list play this season.

I've heard criticism about his skating too, and that's one of the qualities I really consider to be his strengths. Nonetheless, we're talking about a professional scout here. If he's not seen him i) why have Kakko ranked #2 at all? ii) why make comments about his traits (good or bad) in the begin with? Kinda sad when a well-known scout hasn't bothered to watch a single game of him the entire year. You'd imagine he'd at least watch the WJC (though Kakko didn't get to play that much there compared to ice time in FEL).

 

[Leopain]

I've heard criticism about his skating too, and that's one of the qualities I really consider to be his strengths. Nonetheless, we're talking about a professional scout here. If he's not seen him i) why have Kakko ranked #2 at all? ii) why make comments about his traits (good or bad) in the begin with? Kinda sad when a well-known scout hasn't bothered to watch a single game of him the entire year. You'd imagine he'd at least watch the WJC (though Kakko didn't get to play that much there compared to ice time in FEL).

Look at the date of the article and the comment.

It is not that surprising that he hadn't seen him this season based on the fact that the season started a month ago. He probably ranked him based on what he'd seen of him last year and during the U18.

God the amount of hate directed towards Pronman is just astonishing.

 

[HC7]

Someone like Button has some interesting rankings, however always has a reason. A lot of times you can see why he says what he does.

Pronman on the other hand is clueless. It's his opinion so w/e, but I'd take it with a grain of salt.

 

[Leopain]

Someone like Button has some interesting rankings, however always has a reason. A lot of times you can see why he says what he does.

Pronman on the other hand is clueless. It's his opinion so w/e, but I'd take it with a grain of salt.

You see, I'd say it is the exact opposite. Button explains his top 10, often with only one sentence for each and then, we just have the names and no explanation whatsoever.

Pronman has a chart, he writes a paragraph on each player. He is often wrong, but we definitely can see why he says what he does.

 

[kelsier]

Look at the date of the article and the comment.

It is not that surprising that he hadn't seen him this season based on the fact that the season started a month ago. He probably ranked him based on what he'd seen of him last year and during the U18.

God the amount of hate directed towards Pronman is just astonishing.

Ah s***. Looks like I didn't even bother to check up on the dates on this topic, ha. My bad.

 

[Son of Petter]

The Pronman hate is hilarious, if you follow the guy on twitter you know he travels to see a lot of these prospects as much as he can, he always values skill over anything else but that's how he does his rankings. Crazy that someone said Button does a better job than Pronman, definitely do not agree with that.

Look at the date of the article and the comment.

It is not that surprising that he hadn't seen him this season based on the fact that the season started a month ago. He probably ranked him based on what he'd seen of him last year and during the U18.

God the amount of hate directed towards Pronman is just astonishing.

 

[Son of Petter]

Here's his midseason rankings:

Pronman: 2018-19 midseason NHL prospects ranking

Pronman's midseason prospects ranking: Who just missed the...

 

[CheckingLineCenter]

I never agree with the order of how he actually “ranks” the prospects too much, but I like Pronman. I think he gives me a good idea of how players play and their styles.

You have to read Pronman’s own explanation for his rankings— he explains his preferences for forwards over dmen, bias towards skill, huge preference for talented high ceiling guys, etc. It’s definitely a weird ranking/tier system, but once you understand the context it makes more sense. I find his stuff pretty useful and knowledgeable.

I respect the hustle too- he went in depth on almost every NHL affiliated prospect in the summer, which was cool.

 

[Leopain]

I never agree with the order of how he actually “ranks” the prospects too much, but I like Pronman. I think he gives me a good idea of how players play and their styles.

You have to read Pronman’s own explanation for his rankings— he explains his preferences for forwards over dmen, bias towards skill, huge preference for talented high ceiling guys, etc. It’s definitely a weird ranking/tier system, but once you understand the context it makes more sense. I find his stuff pretty useful and knowledgeable.

I respect the hustle too- he went in depth on almost every NHL affiliated prospect in the summer, which was cool.

Yeah that's it actually. To appreciate his work you have to read the content of his evaluations, the rankings in themselves are a lot less important/meaningful.