News Article: Projecting who makes the team

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the funniest part is not only did he sign Abdelkader to that extension but he rushed to get it done as fast as he could and signed him to it in November like he thought it was a bargain and spending a few more months trying to get a better deal would have made it shoot up more :laugh:

there's bad contracts and then there's negotiating against yourself for a bad contract
Ya I'm def not going to miss this from Holland lol
 

NickH8

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Well sure that would be nice.... how exactly do we "get rid of them" without creating a buy-out cap hits that last so long, it hurts us when we are good?

Edit: P.S. Weiss remember him? He's still on the books for 2 more years. And how long ago was that?
For real if you could just do that rebuilding wouldn't exist.
 

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Svechnikov has also put up 20 goals and 31 assists in the AHL in 71 games in his D+2 season. Aka the same season that Rasmussen just completed. You’re devaluing Svechnikov because he’s had a couple of injury plagued seasons recently.

Rasmussen’s game is always going to be predicated on physicality, strength, and thriving in the dirty areas, areas that he looked overmatched in for an entire season. He’s been afforded a chance to prove he belongs in the NHL with a full season to establish and learn on the job. That’s something Svechnikov has never been afforded the opportunity to do.

I won’t say it’s an absolute, I hope this offseason proves to be all Rasmussen needs to be a quality NHL player, but I know Rasmussen isn’t ready as of the end of this year. I’d rather let someone else have the chance to prove their value if the alternative is let someone play behind the physical development curve for another year.
I am quite high on Ras and believe that when it's all said and done most Wings fans will be happy with that pick.

Having said that, I agree with you. He had a whole season of NHL hockey and, while there were some promising flashes, all he really showed was that he is not ready to play at that level. Yet.

Whether him playing with the Wings was the right choice I can't say. It seems like a very tough decision to make and I agreed with it at the time and still feel that another year of juniors would have been a year wasted.

Next season, I think the best place for him to start would have been the ideal place for him to play last season: Grand Rapids.
 
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the funniest part is not only did he sign Abdelkader to that extension but he rushed to get it done as fast as he could and signed him to it in November like he thought it was a bargain and spending a few more months trying to get a better deal would have made it shoot up more :laugh:

there's bad contracts and then there's negotiating against yourself for a bad contract
Outbid himself as usual.
 

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I could definitely see Svechnikov making the opening roster if Detroit wants to figure out what they've got in him asap before he's eligible for waivers. A good half season is the only way to do that. Other than that I think they will be very patient with the kids. Zadina looked good but I think another half season as a top line guy in GR would be good for him. Veleno should be in GR to adjust to the pro game. Rasmussen should go to GR, he simply didn't look NHL ready, all he brought to the table was net front presence.

I wouldn't be surprised if a stop-gap UFA is brought in for a 2nd line role. I'm kind of sick of Vanek so I'd prefer someone else. Maybe a veteran who is confident they have more to offer and wants a one year deal in a big role to prove it to the league, and then leaves at the deadline or next free agency to a contender. Guys like Pominville or Brassard. Or possibly a player in their prime who was in a bad situation like Rieder. I don't think he suddenly lost the ability to put up 30 points, he was put in a shit situation.

I also think Yzerman will try and get an asset with Callahan's last year, it just makes too much sense, he knows the gm and Callahan etc. etc.

Bertuzzi - Larkin - Mantha: Don't break up what works
Athanasiou - Nielsen - UFA: The rest of the top 6 worthy forwards
Hirose - Glendening - Svechnikov: I feel like this line will have a good mix of offensive ability (Svechnikov's shooting and Hirose's playmaking) and defensive stability (Svechnikov can grind and Glendening is a defensive specialist)
Helm - De La Rose - Abdelkader/Callahan: Pure defensive line
Scratches: Witkowski, Callahan/Abdelkader

There's already a thread for defensemen. I personally think it will be the exact same as what we ended the season with, baring any injuries.
 
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I could definitely see Svechnikov making the opening roster if Detroit wants to figure out what they've got in him asap before he's eligible for waivers. A good half season is the only way to do that. Other than that I think they will be very patient with the kids. Zadina looked good but I think another half season as a top line guy in GR would be good for him. Veleno should be in GR to adjust to the pro game. Rasmussen should go to GR, he simply didn't look NHL ready, all he brought to the table was net front presence.

I wouldn't be surprised if a stop-gap UFA is brought in for a 2nd line role. I'm kind of sick of Vanek so I'd prefer someone else. Maybe a veteran who is confident they have more to offer and wants a one year deal in a big role to prove it to the league, and then leaves at the deadline or next free agency to a contender. Guys like Pominville or Brassard. Or possibly a player in their prime who was in a bad situation like Rieder. I don't think he suddenly lost the ability to put up 30 points, he was put in a **** situation.

I also think Yzerman will try and get an asset with Callahan's last year, it just makes too much sense, he knows the gm and Callahan etc. etc.

Bertuzzi - Larkin - Mantha: Don't break up what works
Athanasiou - Nielsen - UFA: The rest of the top 6 worthy forwards
Hirose - Glendening - Svechnikov: I feel like this line will have a good mix of offensive ability (Svechnikov's shooting and Hirose's playmaking) and defensive stability (Svechnikov can grind and Glendening is a defensive specialist)
Helm - De La Rose - Abdelkader/Callahan: Pure defensive line
Scratches: Witkowski, Callahan/Abdelkader

There's already a thread for defensemen. I personally think it will be the exact same as what we ended the season with, baring any injuries.

I think I’d rather throw Svechnikov into the fire on the second line, assuming Zadina isn’t ready. I want someone that we still don’t know enough about to get a crack at top 6 minutes with quality linemates
 

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I think I’d rather throw Svechnikov into the fire on the second line, assuming Zadina isn’t ready. I want someone that we still don’t know enough about to get a crack at top 6 minutes with quality linemates
That would work just as well. Svechnikov and the UFA could go on either line.
 
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Kid hasn't played hockey in over a year, he's not starting in Detroit.

I wouldn't be shocked if he spent a couple of weeks down to start, but I think it is really important for his confidence and overall development to give him a treatment similar to what Rasmussen received this past year.

Even if he only plays ~10-12 minutes a game, he needs to get big league experience at this point. He might only top as a 3rd line quality guy but I think his skill set is pretty unique to our organization right now. And if Blashill and the staff can carve him out a role that he thrives in, that is really key.

I'd rather they cater to him and try to get him up to speed than see guys like Helm, Abdelkader, Ehn, etc. play middle 6 minutes. But I agree that he likely needs some time to get up to NHL speed again after a long hiatus.
 

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I wouldn't be shocked if he spent a couple of weeks down to start, but I think it is really important for his confidence and overall development to give him a treatment similar to what Rasmussen received this past year.

Even if he only plays ~10-12 minutes a game, he needs to get big league experience at this point. He might only top as a 3rd line quality guy but I think his skill set is pretty unique to our organization right now. And if Blashill and the staff can carve him out a role that he thrives in, that is really key.

I'd rather they cater to him and try to get him up to speed than see guys like Helm, Abdelkader, Ehn, etc. play middle 6 minutes. But I agree that he likely needs some time to get up to NHL speed again after a long hiatus.
He's missed a lot of hockey and development time though, so just because he's older doesn't mean he's ready for the NHL. I do agree that things will need to be expedited a bit this season because of his contract status, they need to see what they've got in him, but sending him straight to the NHL isn't likely doing him any favours at this point. I'd say a half season in the AHL getting back up to speed and regaining his feel for the game, then spend the 2nd half in the NHL. That ought to give them a much clearer picture on whether to retain him past this season.
 

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I could definitely see Svechnikov making the opening roster if Detroit wants to figure out what they've got in him asap before he's eligible for waivers. A good half season is the only way to do that. Other than that I think they will be very patient with the kids. Zadina looked good but I think another half season as a top line guy in GR would be good for him. Veleno should be in GR to adjust to the pro game. Rasmussen should go to GR, he simply didn't look NHL ready, all he brought to the table was net front presence.

I wouldn't be surprised if a stop-gap UFA is brought in for a 2nd line role. I'm kind of sick of Vanek so I'd prefer someone else. Maybe a veteran who is confident they have more to offer and wants a one year deal in a big role to prove it to the league, and then leaves at the deadline or next free agency to a contender. Guys like Pominville or Brassard. Or possibly a player in their prime who was in a bad situation like Rieder. I don't think he suddenly lost the ability to put up 30 points, he was put in a **** situation.

I also think Yzerman will try and get an asset with Callahan's last year, it just makes too much sense, he knows the gm and Callahan etc. etc.

Bertuzzi - Larkin - Mantha: Don't break up what works
Athanasiou - Nielsen - UFA: The rest of the top 6 worthy forwards
Hirose - Glendening - Svechnikov: I feel like this line will have a good mix of offensive ability (Svechnikov's shooting and Hirose's playmaking) and defensive stability (Svechnikov can grind and Glendening is a defensive specialist)
Helm - De La Rose - Abdelkader/Callahan: Pure defensive line
Scratches: Witkowski, Callahan/Abdelkader

There's already a thread for defensemen. I personally think it will be the exact same as what we ended the season with, baring any injuries.

If we're going for a bargain bin vet ala Brassard or Callahan, I'd like to see if maybe we can squeeze the last remaining blood from the stone known as Jason Spezza. His past two seasons were bad, but his hockey IQ is still elite and could probably be had for a 1 year, 1.5 deal.

Best case scenario is he has a decent season as our second line center with AA who we then could trade for a pick. Worst case scenario is he sucks and we bury him in the A.

Mantha-Larkin-Bertuzzi
Athanasiou-Spezza-Prospect/Hirose
Hirose/prospect- Nielsen- Helm
Ehn-Glendenning-Abdelkader

"Prospect" = one of Svenchikov, Zadina, or Rasmussen. I think all will get 30ish games, but am not sure who would start the season, as all could use some seasoning. Once TDL and we either trade or bury Spezza comes we move Nielsen up to 2nd and bring up Veleno.
 
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He's missed a lot of hockey and development time though, so just because he's older doesn't mean he's ready for the NHL. I do agree that things will need to be expedited a bit this season because of his contract status, they need to see what they've got in him, but sending him straight to the NHL isn't likely doing him any favours at this point. I'd say a half season in the AHL getting back up to speed and regaining his feel for the game, then spend the 2nd half in the NHL. That ought to give them a much clearer picture on whether to retain him past this season.

I don't disagree with you at all, I think I'm just a bit more eager to get him up and playing in the NHL again, but whether it is ~a month or half the season I wouldn't be bothered.

I agree with the notion that Yzerman and the rest of the front office have to see if he has what it takes to carve out a role on this team over the course of the season, though. If he isn't a fit it would probably be better to move him sooner than later.
 
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Couldn't we just trade a 2nd+ for Raddysh and cut out the middle man? I guess I don't see what we'd get for eating that 5.8 mil, especially if he's going to be on the 4th line like that.

In principle, I could get behind what you're proposing. But, for me personally I don't like the trade value. I'm not concerned with taking on the cap hit but I think that amount of cap space is worth a lot more than what you've put together in your trade proposal.

Make our 2nd a 3rd or 4th, whatever. The principle is still the same. I guess I just value 2nd round picks less than most. Keep in mind that's San Jose's 2nd which will be in the 60's.
 

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