Price VS Niemi (since 18/11/17)

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  1. AnctilNDG

    AnctilNDG Registered User

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    Since Niemi arrived in MTL (18/11/17)

    Price 23-26-10 904 2.94 SO2 PPG 0.95
    Niemi 11-7-5 919 2.80 SO2 PPG 1.17
     
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    Niemi has been hot garbage this year and price was hot garbage last year.
     
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    Proof that games are not played on paper.
     
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    Yes Niemi had a good stretch for a waiver claim but he plays to stay in the league. He needs to be good.

    Price needs to find the pleasure to succeed again. He needs to work for it. I think it's getting there now.

    Price had a bad november but good the rest of the year.

    Carey Price
     
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    Price had a bad november, statistically. He wasnt bad on the ice.
     
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    Post it again at the end of the year.
     
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    Captain Mountain Formerly Captain Wolverine

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    In November? He was. He didn't let in many weak goals, but he didn't make difficult saves at an NHL level either.
     
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    Is OP Tony Marinara sauce? Only person I see bashing Price these days is him.
     
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    Curious to see if Price can go win in Chicago. He has NEVER won there before. We won last year because of Lindgren.
     
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    Useless post ! /thread. More Price bashing incoming
     
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    So he wasnt bad, he just wasnt great.
     
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    No, he was bad. Even ignoring his salary, you need a goalie to make difficult stops. If you've got a save percentage against difficult stops significantly below average, you are playing poorly.

    Part of that is on the D, but Montreal is far from the only team that gives up really dangerous shots.

    Price is still trying to find his game again. He's looked better, but we're still seeing a lot of very un-Price like movements in the crease. Its a process, and not a linear one.
     
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    Price has played alot recently. I think it makes alot of sense to go with niemi on Sunday.
     
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    Youre holding Price to Price standards, and not the norm.

    He was not Price, he might never be again, but to say he was bad in november is outright false.

    Its semantics, sure, but an important distinction.
     
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    Agree. Niemi against his former team too.
     
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    Honestly if price continues to play like he has since the Western trip I won't have any complaints.
     
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    I'm holding Price to league standards, not Price standards. For November, amongst starters, he had the 3rd worst GSAA and was easily below average on anything but easy shots.

    That over a long period of time isn't acceptable or easily offset if we were talking his closest comparables this season (Anderson and Markstrom) and its not acceptable for Price.

    He's playing better now, and he was decent at the start of the year, but he had a bad November.
     
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    I was also calling for niemi against SJ, but now that he didn't play that one, I'm really banging the drum for niemi in chicago.

    There's a fine line between trying to get price in a groove, and overplaying him, but if the team is going to stay in the WC hunt, they simply cannot afford to burn out price.
     
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    According to corsica.com

    High danger S% (minimum 800mins)(27goalies)

    Price 26/27 with HDS%: 74.19 Only Cam Talbot is worst for 18-19

    GSAA: 27/27
    MDS% 22/27
    LDS% 6/27
     
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    Cant agree. Havent missed a game this year, he was not bad. I dont care what the stats tell, he was not bad.

    Did he give up goals where he shouldve saved it? Yes.
    Did he dominate like a 10.5m goalie, no.
    Is there room for improvment? Obviously.

    But no, he was not "bad".
     
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    And maybe compare the difficulty of the opposition, etc. Just an example of why stats alone don't mean everything.
     
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    I have missed games this year. But I was also a goalie and watch other teams this year.

    I don't know what you're looking for. But you definition of bad seems to be "gives up lots of weak goals", which isn't really realistic.

    Stop coddling Price. He's not reading this stuff and even he admitted he was playing badly.
     
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    What was he going to say? Im playing fine even though im payed 10.5m and i have the worse % in the league?

    Theres just a large specter of qualitative words between bad and great, bad is not the right term.
     
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    I gotta give it to OP. the Price bashing coming after 2 wins is rare
     
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    I think you mean spectrum. Unless you mean there is a specter of Price being labelled as bad.

    But bad is a pretty broad word (so is good). But if we're expanding on that, a quick google search defines bad as:

    "of poor quality or a low standard"

    and

    "not such as to be hoped for or desired; unpleasant or unwelcome"

    I'm not really sure that you can argue that Price's November wasn't bad.
     
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