Proposal: Price to San Jose Trade

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HockeyDBspecialist

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I will start by saying one thing, The Avalanche won their cups because of Roy, without Roy their would be no cup.

Now, Price is elite, some say generational on a good team, is he still the Vezina winner Price ? absolutely, he wants to win, he trains well, he eats well, he openly said that he wants to win and will play to win.

MTL is not ready to win, far from it. We have at least 1-2 years of retooling to adjust, we need our #1 LD and we need to wait for Romanov, Caufield and Harris to come next year. Add Primeau to the mix and the Habs will be a better contender team in 1-2 years than now.

So, Bottom line: Price needs to go on a real contender team that truly only miss a Patrick Roy.


Roy's return:
- Thibault : Promising young goaltender, not the next Roy, but highly thought of (top 10 pick)
- Rucinsky : Big scoring winger (24 years old), 50-65p player with 3 seasons over 20 goals.
- Kovalenko: 25 years old, Could have been better but wasn't physical enough and was traded for Scott Thornton the season after.


Now, if we compare this return to Price (Price has a cap hit and I could agree that he is a bit less hot than Roy at the time, so the return will be a bit less)

Price can fetch:
- young blue chip prospect who is or could have been a top 15 pick in the first round, MTL has already their young goaltender
- First round pick OR 24-26 years old winger who can be physical, can skate and is over 6'1
- For Kovalenko I would say an older proven goaltender needs to come back so we can take some money off the other team


So, Who's 1 elite goaltender away of winning the cup and has the prospect pool ?
SAN JOSE


:sharks

- Carey Price (10.5M)
- Something comparable to Mike Keane, hard to make it work without retention



:habs

- Martin Jones (5.75M)
- Ryan Merkley ( blue chip prospect with some attitude problem but with a great ceiling)
- Timo Meier (5.65M) ( main piece of the deal while not playing well this year, power forward that can play both wing)


Everything seems to work on the cap wise and contract wise. What are your thought on it ?
 

SlapshotTheMovie

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Habs add a ton if you want Timo and Merkley back. Price contract is horrible and 100% effects his return as well so even just value wise this is off but bad contract it would need even more add from the habs. Dude is straight up signed at 10m till he is 38. It already looks bad but in a year or two that contract is going to be the worst in the league and still have 3+ years on it.
 
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HockeyDBspecialist

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Habs add a ton if you want Timo and Merkley back. Price contract is horrible and 100% effects his return as well so even just value wise this is off but bad contract it would need even more add from the habs. Dude is straight up signed at 10m till he is 38. It already looks bad but in a year or two that contract is going to be the worst in the league and still have 3+ years on it.
While I agree with you that atm the contract can be annoying, the future TV contracts will boost the cap hit by a lot.

It also gives San Jose with a stable core for 1-3 years, which is when their window will die down
 

SlapshotTheMovie

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While I agree with you that atm the contract can be annoying, the future TV contracts will boost the cap hit by a lot.

It also gives San Jose with a stable core for 1-3 years, which is when their window will die down
Cap going up isn;t a reason to go around collecting bad contracts with lots of term on them. Not only was your OG deal off in value in favor of the habs without the bad contract but when you add it in the habs would need to add 4 or 5 1st round picks. This is just another "we will give you somehting okay and you give me gold" thread.
 
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Cap going up isn;t a reason to go around collecting bad contracts with lots of term on them. Not only was your OG deal off in value in favor of the habs without the bad contract but when you add it in the habs would need to add 4 or 5 1st round picks. This is just another "we will give you somehting okay and you give me gold" thread.
don't get me wrong, with Price on San jose I think they will be a stanley cup finalist, they truly need a #1 elite Goalie to carry them the little window they are missing .
 

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Sharks wouldn’t give up Merkley or Meier for Price alone. They really don’t have the cap space for him either. We’d have to get rid of someone else to fit him.
 

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The **** is with all these Price threads? He's been good in Montreal. There's no indication he either wants out right now or that Montreal wants to move him.

As to the actual proposal, neither team would do it. I'd bet Merkley was a DND for Montreal and Jones is probably worse value on his contract than Price is on his. Meier is amazing, but he's probably the least tradeble Shark except for Hertl. And Montreal management really loves Price, which people seem to ignore in these threads.

Ignoring how the comparision is really off, its a pretty bad idea to base value off of a trade over 20 years ago in non-cap league and different style of game.
 

HockeyDBspecialist

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management really loves Price, which people seem to ignore in these threads.
yes, until he had enough and want to move out. Price said it openly, I know you love him, but he won't wait 4 years to win a cup while we form our prospects. We can't live in a a pink world all you want, but Price won't win with MTL, Primeau is our true window with our core moving forward. ( BTW Primeau won'T wait until price is 38, he needs to play before)


Value wise it'S similar to what Roy got, if your not happy, more than fine, but don't say the value is off when older trades showed us that it's not.
 

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My initial player was Labanc, Like him a lot, but the cap hit wouldn't make it work with San jose since they own him next year.
Meier is one of their core pieces now and moving forward. He's still so young and is only scratching the surface of the player he will become. His contract is very good for what it is.

Price is overpaid by a ton and the length of his contract is a huge issue. You'd have to add a lot to Price just to get Meier, let alone that entire package.
 

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Meier is one of their core pieces now and moving forward. He's still so young and is only scratching the surface of the player he will become. His contract is very good for what it is.

Price is overpaid by a ton and the length of his contract is a huge issue. You'd have to add a lot to Price just to get Meier, let alone that entire package.
Yes, to have Price, a generational changer in your goal to the cup, would need to depart yourself from a top piece like Meier, Hertl or Labanc
 

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I think that if Price were coming to SJ the best we could do is

Price+Rielly/Kulak

for

Vlasic+Jones+1st+Roy or another B prospect

that’s the best Sharks could do. They aren’t giving up Meier, Labanc, Hertl, Merkley, Ch-twins for that horrendous contract.
 

TFHockey

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Yes, to have Price, a generational changer in your goal to the cup, would need to depart yourself from a top piece like Meier, Hertl or Labanc

I don't think the Sharks would do that. Better to get a lesser goaltender and keep those pieces.
 

Captain Mountain

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yes, until he had enough and want to move out. Price said it openly, I know you love him, but he won't wait 4 years to win a cup while we form our prospects. We can't live in a a pink world all you want, but Price won't win with MTL, Primeau is our true window with our core moving forward. ( BTW Primeau won'T wait until price is 38, he needs to play before)


Value wise it'S similar to what Roy got, if your not happy, more than fine, but don't say the value is off when older trades showed us that it's not.

You've complete missed my point.

I didn't say I love him, I said management loves him. And its a different environment. Between his contract and his NMC, Price is only going to get moved if he wants to be moved or if he's forced out. And if he's ever moved, it'll likely be the former. Because of his NMC, he's basically in complete control of choosing where he'd go.

Its also a cap league were teams know to value age. He's also older than Roy was. In the current environment, he'd probably be moved for another big money veteran that's still effective.

And given what parity the league is in Montreal, the current retool is probably a failure if they're still 3-4 years away from competing for a cup. That means their top younger players will be exiting their prime and their prospects would have stagnated. Managements looking for the play-offs this season. If that doesn't happen (which is definitely possible given that Montreal's a bubble team) it'll be in one or two seasons. And if that doesn't turn out, Price definitely wont be the first shoe to drop.
 

HockeyDBspecialist

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Meier is one of their core pieces now and moving forward. He's still so young and is only scratching the surface of the player he will become. His contract is very good for what it is.

Price is overpaid by a ton and the length of his contract is a huge issue. You'd have to add a lot to Price just to get Meier, let alone that entire package.

We could talk a Vlasic + first + ferarro vs Price then ?
 

Captain Mountain

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I think that if Price were coming to SJ the best we could do is

Price+Rielly/Kulak

for

Vlasic+Jones+1st+Roy or another B prospect

that’s the best Sharks could do. They aren’t giving up Meier, Labanc, Hertl, Merkley, Ch-twins for that horrendous contract.

And there's no way Montreal would do Price for Vlasic/Jones without a significant add (Kulak and Reilly are also a really strange interchangable, Kulak's significantly better than Reilly).
 

KingPuckChoo

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how is going to San Jose a win? have you seen them play? Montreal has a better chance to win than San Jose and that's even WITH the refs
 
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