Injury Report: Price DONE for the series vs NYR

[Gary320]

Hockey ******** is the worst. (I'm happy his name is actually banned)
He's probably one of us.

 

[Nynja*]

Disagree. If there is any possible way for him to play....he needs to be in there. I have a gut feeling that the Tokarski magic is over and he will hit the wall in game 6. You can just sense it coming.

The kid got us to game 6 (ok so he poopoo'd the bed for 5 minutes last night), I'd rather lose with him then lose with Price who may not be in game shape. We dont have any games to test Price out.

 

[JusticeBeaver]

Disagree. If there is any possible way for him to play....he needs to be in there. I have a gut feeling that the Tokarski magic is over and he will hit the wall in game 6. You can just sense it coming.

And I disagree with you. Had one helluva shaky second period last night, but settled down in the third and made saves when it mattered. That's who he is, habs just have to keep filling the net.

 

[Sterling Archer]

I was hopeful until Ek said it. Now I know he's done for the year

 

[Le Barron de HF]

Remember how our 2006-2007 season came to an end guys? We played our injured starter who played like **** over the red hot rookie who kept our playoffs hopes alive. Obviously Price is better than Huet but the situations could have a similar outcome...

 

[coolasprICE]

Hockey Insider also said that Stepan was done for the series.

 

[Gary320]

Remember how our 2006-2007 season came to an end guys? We played our injured starter who played like **** over the red hot rookie who kept our playoffs hopes alive. Obviously Price is better than Huet but the situations could have a similar outcome...

Not only that. It's a VERY high risk of losing the series and your goalie.

If... IF there is a game 7. IN A GAME 7 - Why would you play a goalie who has had less than 2 full periods of hockey in this series and returning from an injury that may reduce some of his movements versus a goalie who has played practically the entire series and is somewhat more accustomed to the tendencies of the rangers. The players (regardless of the 4 minute meltdown) are also accustomed to Tokarski now. Right there and then, Tokarski has the advantage.

Then add the fact that the Rangers (at that point if possible) would have just lost a 3-1 series lead and will now be playing ten times more aggressive hockey and will likely be crashing and banging the goalie all night which might risk injuring Carey Price for a longer time.

I love Carey Price. He's a freaking star and one of the best goalies in the league BUT
There is a very high risk to lose a game and a star goalie if you play him in a big game 7.

If Carey is good to go by Game 7, you don't play him. If he was ready to play tomorrow, maybe I'd change my opinion.. but I'd swing more towards Tokarski.
Wait till Game 1 if you get there..

 

[Lshap]

At this point would it even make sense to bring him back for this series?

- Tokarski's played well. He's not Price but he's played well.
- Price is hurt. Who knows how good he'd be now if he's not 100 percent?
- Price could re-injure himself and we'd be screwed for next year.

To me we sink or swim with Tokarski. If he can get us to the finals, then we can think about whether or not Price can come in. And my guess is we've probably seen the last of him this season regardless.

Not only that. It's a VERY high risk of losing the series and your goalie.

If... IF there is a game 7. IN A GAME 7 - Why would you play a goalie who has had less than 2 full periods of hockey in this series and returning from an injury that may reduce some of his movements versus a goalie who has played practically the entire series and is somewhat more accustomed to the tendencies of the rangers. The players (regardless of the 4 minute meltdown) are also accustomed to Tokarski now. Right there and then, Tokarski has the advantage.

Then add the fact that the Rangers (at that point if possible) would have just lost a 3-1 series lead and will now be playing ten times more aggressive hockey and will likely be crashing and banging the goalie all night which might risk injuring Carey Price for a longer time.

I love Carey Price. He's a freaking star and one of the best goalies in the league BUT
There is a very high risk to lose a game and a star goalie if you play him in a big game 7.

If Carey is good to go by Game 7, you don't play him. If he was ready to play tomorrow, maybe I'd change my opinion.. but I'd swing more towards Tokarski.
Wait till Game 1 if you get there..

Yes and yes. In a movie script, the injured guy makes a miraculous comeback. In the real world, the injured goalie lets in a softie and then re-injures himself.

We've seen the result of bringing in cold goalies. It's a bad idea. Plus, I really doubt Price is healthy enough to make this a real debate.

 

[Out East]

Tokarski finishes this series and Price starts the next one. No question... The only Price comes back in this series is if he dresses as the back up and Tokarski gets pulled.

 

[Sterling Archer]

Only way Price starts is after a few good full practises when he's 100%. No way they play him at risk of losing him for a year and Tokarski hasn't given habs reason to rush Price.

 

[CoupeStanley]

If he's ready to go, you play the best goalie in the world in game 6 of the ECF no question. He's way less rusty than Tokarski was when we played him.

 

[Leon Lucius Black]

Remember how our 2006-2007 season came to an end guys? We played our injured starter who played like **** over the red hot rookie who kept our playoffs hopes alive. Obviously Price is better than Huet but the situations could have a similar outcome...

Huet was gone for like 20 games, Price would be gone for 2 weeks if we make it to game 7 and he is somehow able to play.

Price is a top 3 goalie in the world and our best player, if he's 100% healthy you play him.

 

[Brainiac]

Price makes a miraculous come back in game 7 of the ECF against the Rangers. Playing on one leg, he almost manages to beat the Rangers but falls short in a 3-2 overtime loss. Kreider scores the OT winner while colliding with Price on a breakaway, completely busting Price's knee in the process. Riots ensue in downtown Montreal.

Then, the beginning of a devilish plan for success...

During the summer, Price undergoes surgery to repair his knee. While he's at it, the surgeon, with orders from Bergevin, proceeds to secretely transplant Tokarski's left arm (his glove hand) on Price and Price's left arm on Tokarski.

Habs go into the 2014 season with Tokarski as the starter while Price needs time for his knee to heal. Toks, whitout his magical glove hand, is completely lost and Habs finish dead last, which allows them to draft McDavid!

Price comes back in 2015 and establishes himself as the best goaltender ever. He, McDavid and Subban lead the Habs to the first of multiple Stanley Cup championships!

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What? It could happen!

 

[EveryDay]

Weise have a concussion.... does he play tomorrow?



http://tvasports.ca/hockey/canadiens/commotion-cerebrale-pour-weise-28052014

 

[Runner77]

Weise have a concussion.... does he play tomorrow?

http://tvasports.ca/hockey/canadiens/commotion-cerebrale-pour-weise-28052014

Was looking at NHL protocol for on-the-spot evaluation (Habs medics cleared Weise to play after the hit and he returned to action). It doesn't seem that they are reliable:

It is well known, however, that concussion victims sometimes do not show symptoms until days after an incident.“When it comes to evaluating concussions, SCAT2 or any of those sideline screening tests really have no reliability,” said Dr. Paul S. Echlin, a concussion specialist and researcher in Burlington, Ontario, who has done two recent studies of concussions in hockey. “If you see it happen and you see the reaction, then you don’t let the player go back in. That’s the worst thing you can do, expose him to a second or third hit that can be really dangerous.”

I'm not going to get into a technical evaluation, however, we shouldn't be reading anything into the Habs' doctor(s) decision to let him back to play. The more pronounced testing he's undergoing now will may tell another story, now that the fact of a concussion has been confirmed and based on Weise's reaction after the hit:

(...) the N.H.L. revised its concussion protocol, mandating a player’s removal from the game if he reports symptoms or shows signs of loss of consciousness, impaired motor coordination, balance problems, or slowness to get up; or if he has a blank or vacant look, is disoriented, clutches his head after a hit or has a visible facial injury in combination with any of the above.

If the above represents the current protocol, seems to me yesterday's replays showed an impaired Weise, couldn't hold his balance, was slow to move, looked startled, disoriented. Don't know how he was allowed to resume. But, I'm no expert.

 

[Hackett]

Was looking at NHL protocol for on-the-spot evaluation (Habs medics cleared Weise to play after the hit and he returned to action). It doesn't seem that they are reliable:



I'm not going to get into a technical evaluation, however, we shouldn't be reading anything into the Habs' doctor(s) decision to let him back to play. The more pronounced testing he's undergoing now will may tell another story, now that the fact of a concussion has been confirmed and based on Weise's reaction after the hit:



If the above represents the current protocol, seems to me yesterday's replays showed an impaired Weise, couldn't hold his balance, was slow to move, looked startled, disoriented. Don't know how he was allowed to resume. But, I'm no expert.

The protocol is a joke. I don't believe any doctor in today's society would allow a player to resume duties in the same game when there is potential for brain trauma.

It is clear to me that the team is putting intense pressure to get these guys back on the ice, and the players will never admit to what they are actually feeling especially when the stakes are as high as they are right now.

 

[belko]

The protocol is a joke. I don't believe any doctor in today's society would allow a player to resume duties in the same game when there is potential for brain trauma.

It is clear to me that the team is putting intense pressure to get these guys back on the ice, and the players will never admit to what they are actually feeling especially when the stakes are as high as they are right now.

It's far more likely that Weise played down the symptoms, if anything. But like Bournival earlier this season, it was quite obvious from the moment they got up they were concussed. Neither should have been allowed to return to play so on the point of the protocol being a joke, I couldn't agree more.

 

[fsdev905]

Weise have a concussion.... does he play tomorrow?



http://tvasports.ca/hockey/canadiens/commotion-cerebrale-pour-weise-28052014

I guess the saving grace is Prust will be ready for game 6.

Hope he plays like he did in game 3 and not how he played the entire playoffs before game 3.

 

[Wats]

I'm pretty sure Emelin has a fractured foot or something. I remember in game 4 he left game for a bit and came back to test foot and stayed in game.

 

[la25ecoupe]

Why did he keep playing when he got a concussion? Fack!

 

[Runner77]

Why did he keep playing when he got a concussion? Fack!

Cause it's one of those injuries where testing in the dressing room is unreliable and gives way to discretionary decision-making. Players will do anything to get back on the ice and will lie during the process. They would be less inclined to partake in the charade if it were the regular season. In the playoffs, the stakes are just too high for rules not to be bent.

 

[Perrah]

Cause it's one of those injuries where testing in the dressing room is unreliable and gives way to discretionary decision-making. Players will do anything to get back on the ice and will lie during the process. They would be less inclined to partake in the charade if it were the regular season. In the playoffs, the stakes are just too high for rules not to be bent.

Yeah within 5 years I assume you will see that if a guy is noticeably wobbly that they wont be allowed to return to the game.

 

[Habs 4 Life]

Weise have a concussion.... does he play tomorrow?



http://tvasports.ca/hockey/canadiens/commotion-cerebrale-pour-weise-28052014

Weise will not play tonight 100%. Like others have said I don't even know why they made him comeback

http://www.rds.ca/hockey/canadiens/weise-saute-son-tour-1.1152673

 

[Perrah]

Weise will not play tonight 100%. Like others have said I don't even know why they made him comeback

http://www.rds.ca/hockey/canadiens/weise-saute-son-tour-1.1152673

I doubt they made him, Im sure he just said all the right things and got back as fast as he could.

 

[bobholly39]

Not only that. It's a VERY high risk of losing the series and your goalie.

If... IF there is a game 7. IN A GAME 7 - Why would you play a goalie who has had less than 2 full periods of hockey in this series and returning from an injury that may reduce some of his movements versus a goalie who has played practically the entire series and is somewhat more accustomed to the tendencies of the rangers. The players (regardless of the 4 minute meltdown) are also accustomed to Tokarski now. Right there and then, Tokarski has the advantage.

Then add the fact that the Rangers (at that point if possible) would have just lost a 3-1 series lead and will now be playing ten times more aggressive hockey and will likely be crashing and banging the goalie all night which might risk injuring Carey Price for a longer time.

I love Carey Price. He's a freaking star and one of the best goalies in the league BUT
There is a very high risk to lose a game and a star goalie if you play him in a big game 7.

If Carey is good to go by Game 7, you don't play him. If he was ready to play tomorrow, maybe I'd change my opinion.. but I'd swing more towards Tokarski.
Wait till Game 1 if you get there..

Sorry but I disagree with your post to the extreme.

If there is a game 7 why would you play a goalie who has only played 2 periods in the series? Yes, that is an interresting question. Here's another for you:

If there is a game 7, why in the world would you play a goalie with approx 10 games of NHL experience as opposed to a goalie who many see as the best in the world, who in this year's olympics won a gold medal while posting numbers never before seen in the history of the olympics (he DID have a strong team, but he also did manage to post those stats), whose not only been rock-solid all year but who has inspired his teammates to new levels of confidence, especially if said game 7 is for a chance to play in the Stanley Cup Final.

The obvious answer is: if Price is healthy enough to play, he plays.