Price and Little CUT!

[LaLaLaprise]

Outside of Bolland, Chipchura, Latendresse and Comeau I'm not very familiar with the players that were picked. Do the other guys have a lot of speed ?

Yes pretty much.

Cogliano, Bertram, Pouliot, Toews and Pyatt are speedsters.

 

[Cole Caulifield]

So Sutter plans on going with 2 scoring lines, an energy line and a shut down line??

Didnt the team last year have 3 scoring lines and a "checking line"

I might be out to lunch but historically teams that only have 2 scoring lines at any level of international competition haven't fared very well. Remember the last WC with 2 grind lines and 2 scoring lines ? Nagano ? I have a bad feeling they're going to lack scoring punch if the defense and goaltending is not VERY sharp. Pogge and the team defense better be good.

 

[KadoCH]

Really how about Prices three terrible goals from the blue line in his game and what about Ellis' soft goals on the amazing amounts of shots he had, yes Dubnyk let in what i would say was one bad goal in game one but he was BY FAR playing on the worst team of the 4, as well talk all you want aboot shots how about you ACTUALLY LOOK at the shots that were scored where was Dubnyk's defense last night ? What is worse three goals from almost the blue line or hawever many Deven let in from good scoring chances hmmm let me think about that one and even guys like TSN said he faced the most work and did relativly well that is why he made it

Ellis- let in one goal in the UBC game and it was exact replica of a goal Dubnyk allowed play came from the back of the net to the top of the crease and went five hole. He played bad in his intersquad game thoughand reports on him weren't glowing from practices.

Price- played on the same team as Dubnyk in every game so no Dubnyk didn't have the worst team just faced more shots in the UBC game, he had the same players in front of him. They both faced 17 shots in the intersquad games AND Dubnyk gave up four goals, and Price one. Price came in to a slaughter cold mid way through the second his three goals were a weak shot from Esposito from the point (players were buzzing arond the net a possible screen) a Rocket from I believe Brassard from the top of the cricle and a nice cross ice feed to a player standing alone at the side of the net for a tap in.

All reports from people who were actually at the camp indicated Dubnyk looked shaky and Price was solid read NWdood's comments and and the Canada practice thread and you will see nothing but good reports on Price in practice and games and negative comments on Dubnyks play.

 

[Vic Rattlehead*]

Price and Ellis did nothing in camp to show that they were better than Dubnyk, although he was pretty bad himself.

 

[LaLaLaprise]

I might be out to lunch but historically teams that only have 2 scoring lines at any level of international competition haven't fared very well. Remember the last WC with 2 grind lines and 2 scoring lines ? Nagano ? I have a bad feeling they're going to lack scoring punch if the defense and goaltending is not VERY sharp. Pogge and the team defense better be good.

Thats what I was thinking. A 3rd scoring line of Little -- Setoguchi -- Brassard wouldnt have been so bad

 

[LaLaLaprise]

Price and Ellis did nothing in camp to show that they were better than Dubnyk, although he was pretty bad himself.

The question becomes:

What did Dubnyk do to make the team? From all accounts all 3 of those goalies werent that great. Dubnyk must have done something to stand out among those 3.

 

[Cerebral]

The question becomes:

What did Dubnyk do to make the team? From all accounts all 3 of those goalies werent that great. Dubnyk must have done something to stand out among those 3.

I'm guessing it was due in large part to his performnace at times during the regular season. Dubnyk has played extremely well against Red Deer this season and that likely was fresh in Sutter's mind when he picked the roster...

 

[Cole Caulifield]

Didin't Brule get cut from last years training camp? Was he even named to the team? Or did he get injured again?

These questions may seem sarcastic, but I really don't remember...

Too much competition, too many good 19 years old on that team for Brule to make it as an 18 years old. Go back in time 1 year, snatch Brule from the past and put him in this training camp and I'm pretty sure he would have made it as an 18 years old but last time around just no reason to have him there.

EDIT :

Also, he would have had to beat McCarthur or Dixon and play on a checking line. I guess sutter felt safer with those guys.

 

[shakes]

wow why all the hate for Dubnyk

none of the goalies this year are stand-outs, anyone can make a case for anyone of them

Pogge clearly won the number one spot, conspiracy theories aside.

 

[Vic Rattlehead*]

Too much competition, too many good 19 years old on that team for Brule to make it as an 18 years old. Go back in time 1 year, snatch Brule from the past and put him in this training camp and I'm pretty sure he would have made it as an 18 years old but last time around just no reason to have him there.

EDIT :

Also, he would have had to beat McCarthur or Dixon and play on a checking line. I guess sutter felt safer with those guys.

If there was no lockout last year, he would have made it.

 

[Cole Caulifield]

Pogge clearly won the number one spot, conspiracy theories aside.

No one is questionning the choice of Pogge making it.

 

[shakes]

No one is questionning the choice of Pogge making it.

read the post i quoted

 

[sveiglar]

Yes pretty much.

Cogliano, Bertram, Pouliot, Toews and Pyatt are speedsters.

If he's a Pyatt, you know he's fast...

 

[Cole Caulifield]

If there was no lockout last year, he would have made it.

Because you think Richards, Carter and Getzlaf would have played in the NHL ?

Even so, there were guys like Fehr and Stone available who made good cases for themselves.

And if the above mentionned players had not been to the training camp Sutter would most likely have invited guys like Picard and Bernier.

Obviously it's all speculation but there were just too many good 19 years old out there for him to make it no matter what IMHO.

 

[Cole Caulifield]

read the post i quoted

I'm sure he was debating the back up position like everyone else.

 

[Vic Rattlehead*]

Because you think Richards, Carter and Getzlaf would have played in the NHL ?

Even so, there were guys like Fehr and Stone available who made good cases for themselves.

And if the above mentionned players had not been to the training camp Sutter would most likely have invited guys like Picard and Bernier.

Obviously it's all speculation but there were just too many good 19 years old out there for him to make it no matter what IMHO.

I believe that Carter and/or Richards were going to play in the NHL last season, but because of the lockout, they had to remain in junior.

 

[Cole Caulifield]

I believe that Carter and/or Richards were going to play in the NHL last season, but because of the lockout, they had to remain in junior.

Do you think Brule would have made it over one of Fehr and Stone ?

 

[Douggy]

Well I knew this thread would turn into a flame war at SOME point but who knew it would happen so quickly.

And it doesn't even involve the Leafs fans!!

 

[Cole Caulifield]

Well I knew this thread would turn into a flame war at SOME point but who knew it would happen so quickly.

And it doesn't even involve the Leafs fans!!

Where do you see a flame war ? There were some friendly jabs between a Brule fans and habs fans, nothing overly trollish though.

 

[Flames Draft Watcher]

I don't like Ellis getting cut (not a fan of Pogge or Dubnyk), and the skaters look typically Sutter-like: cut the talented guys and keep the plumbers.
The proof is in the pudding, but I don't like this team's chances versus the US.

Well I doubt you'd feel that way if you watched the camp. Ellis was not at all impressive. Pogge was rock solid.

 

[hawksfan50]

While I am thrilled all 4 Blachawks picks (the 4 "Killer B's: Barker,ertram,Blundin and Bolland) made the squad(when if ever did the Hawks have that many make the Team Canada Jr. squad?),I am disappointed than another "B" (Derick Brassard) got the shaft ..he played well and would be futher insurance if say Cogliano goes down with an injury--I think it was a mistake by Sutter as he opted for ONLY 1 forward from the "Q" (Latendresse) --and so the "Q" gets shated again with only 3 players in total (Bourdon and Letang being the other two) ....I don't think he needed all 3 of Pyatt Boyd and Downie--if Downie is playing wing then he should have chopped one of the other two--if Downie is at centre then he should have chopped him because Bolland,Chipchura O'Mara Cogliano and Toews can all play centre---I would have kept Brassard and chopped one of the three others I mentioned...the other thing is: how will Latendresse play without his team-mate and good buddy Brassard not centering for him? Again--Quebec gets shafted,and Brassard with 2 goals and 2 assists in the 3 games probably deserved to be on that team as much as anyone...

 

[Flames Draft Watcher]

I don't understand the argument about prepping Price for next year. How does sitting on the bench make him better for next year? One could certainly argue that starting to Tri Cities for the next few weeks is better experience for him is it not?

 

[Meat Wave]

I don't understand the argument about prepping Price for next year. How does sitting on the bench make him better for next year? One could certainly argue that starting to Tri Cities for the next few weeks is better experience for him is it not?

Exactly. If Pogge is going to be solid out there and play like a true #1 goalthender for Canada, then as a Montreal fan I'd rather have Price to see some action in Tri-City for next few weeks, and come back more mature and experimented for the WJCs in 2007. Might be a good thing after all, unless it hurts his confidence and he gets frustrated about not making the team.

 

[Rise from the Ashes]

Timmins and his agent and Gainey probably talked to him though so im not worried. He also would have a friendly good bye from Chipchura and Latendresse.

 

[Flames Draft Watcher]

While I am thrilled all 4 Blachawks picks (the 4 "Killer B's: Barker,ertram,Blundin and Bolland) made the squad(when if ever did the Hawks have that many make the Team Canada Jr. squad?),I am disappointed than another "B" (Derick Brassard) got the shaft ..he played well and would be futher insurance if say Cogliano goes down with an injury--I think it was a mistake by Sutter as he opted for ONLY 1 forward from the "Q" (Latendresse) --and so the "Q" gets shated again with only 3 players in total (Bourdon and Letang being the other two) ....I don't think he needed all 3 of Pyatt Boyd and Downie--if Downie is playing wing then he should have chopped one of the other two--if Downie is at centre then he should have chopped him because Bolland,Chipchura O'Mara Cogliano and Toews can all play centre---I would have kept Brassard and chopped one of the three others I mentioned...the other thing is: how will Latendresse play without his team-mate and good buddy Brassard not centering for him? Again--Quebec gets shafted,and Brassard with 2 goals and 2 assists in the 3 games probably deserved to be on that team as much as anyone...

Disagree. Brassard had some good stats but overall didn't stand out as much as Bolland, Cogliano, Boyd, or Toews. I watched all 3 scrimmages and I didn't really think he was going to make the team. Try not to read so much into stats man, they don't tell you the whole story.