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Ar-too
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I think Spurs have more talent, but Chelsea get more consistency because they are more experienced.
Way to base everything on one season.
I guess Leicester is the best English club in Europe then since they're the only English club left in the CL.
hatterson
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Ok. Your original claim was that it will be easy for the next manager to compete, the point is that it's also easy for there to be a slip when a long time and successful manager leaves, regardless of how good a team is set up.
When you add to that the fact that the old manager is basically the entire club (as Ferguson was at United) it makes it even harder for another manager to come in and step in.
Arsenal *could* hire the next great manager. They could also hire the next David Moyes.
Sure they didn't give him time, but maybe he's also just not a very good manager. It was United's first time finishing outside of the top 3 since 1991. It's understandable that people didn't think Moyes was the solution.
Yes, in 14-15 they barely made it back to a CL spot, while also having disappointing seasons in the FA cup and the league cup. Then the next year they bombed out of the CL at the group stage and barely held onto 5th.
There's a big difference between not competing for a title/not always in CL spots and midtable hell. I wouldn't say either United or Liverpool were in midtable hell, but apart from the miracle season 3 years ago, neither have competed for a title and neither have been remotely considered locks for the top 4 the last few years.
I'm not expecting Arsenal to suddenly become Stoke where they finish between 9th and 13th every single year, but there's plenty of room between Stoke and what Arsenal are right now.
Ages: 26, 24, 24, 22, 23, 20
Now let's look at United in Ferguson's last season.
Rooney, Nani, Kagawa, Chicharito, Jones, deGea, Welbeck, Smalling.
Ages: 26, 25, 23, 24, 20, 21, 21, 22. They also had van Persie, Vidic, and Evra just like Arsenal has Sanchez, Ozil and Giroud
The core of Arsenal you listed is neither young nor elite.
A young core would be like Spurs have. Kane, Alli, Son, and Dier, all 24 or under. If you expand it to 25 you add Eriksen, Lamela, and Wanyama. Rose and Walker are 26 (soon 27)
spintheblackcircle
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3rd place 2 years ago and 2nd this year is basing it on 1 season?
And Spurs are STILL the youngest team in the EPL.
hatterson
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The point is people are overreacting and saying Arsenal won't sniff top 4 for years.
But yet overrate Spurs for example when Arsenal did exactly the same thing they're doing for much longer.
Arsenal will be among the top English teams competing in the EPL because they have a solid structure in place. Of course they can go completely insane and hire someone like Roy Hodgson which will destroy my argument.
hatterson
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"United post-Ferguson or Liverpool post-Benitez"
"if either Chelsea or Spurs go in for one of Arsenal's targets who decided their reason for going to Arsenal was to play in London, those two clubs will have something to offer that Arsenal can't"
"6 clubs for 4 spots now, and that's if Everton doesn't find a way to sneak in there"
"No more sure things in the EPL."
That's what people said. No one said they won't sniff the top 4 for years, but expecting them to keep rolling as a locked in top 4 spot, and R16 CL team, is being incredibly optimistic.
As mentioned the "solid structure" they have in place isn't anything unique to them. They don't have a remarkably young or talented core compared to other teams. Sure if by "among the top" you mean they'll stay as a member of the big 6 then I'd agree, but anything more is just drinking the cool aid.
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Top 10 clubs from 14-15 to today in points:
It's most definitely the big 6 now, and that makes it pretty difficult to land a CL spot.
Code:
Chelsea 212
Manchester City 206
Tottenham Hotspur 202
Arsenal 200
Manchester United 193
Liverpool 185
Southampton 163
Leicester City 158
Everton 148
West Ham United 145It's most definitely the big 6 now, and that makes it pretty difficult to land a CL spot.
spintheblackcircle
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Arsenal was not in the top 2 for 10 straight years, so they weren't EXACTLY the same as Spurs at all.
I am not even comparing Arsenal to Spurs.
But you dumping on Spurs at this point, makes absolutely no sense.
All I'm saying is that the Spurs NOW:
- have (a lot) lower payroll than the rest of top-6
- are the most consistent side since the start of last season
- are (by far) the youngest side in the top-6, and THE youngest in the entire Premiership
- have a balanced, talented, YOUNG team that can get even better in a year and they are definitely a top contender for the EPL at this point
- are actually playing fantastic football under Poch, very pleasing to the eye, and one can argue that with a bit more experience for their key players, they'll gather the "easy" points more routinely, much like Chelsea do now
mariolemieux66
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Knockaert scores and his teammates not happy because he didnt get the pass in front of the goal. Bunch of ****ing divas!
