For the non speakers :
"do you have a last wish?"
"I want Werner to be the one shooting"
Premier League 2020-21 (Part III)
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For the non speakers :
"do you have a last wish?"
"I want Werner to be the one shooting"
mmk786
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Wee Baby Seamus
Yo, Goober, where's the meat?
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Far more talented than Fellaini to be fair.
In saying that I’ve never seen anyone with better chest control than Fellaini.
spintheblackcircle
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Chimaera
same ol' Caps
Chimaera
same ol' Caps
Chimaera
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Don't know if it goes in here or in the match week thread. But the steps the clubs had to take to have fake buses and all the police are flat out ridiculous.
What does it say when that's where the club is at this point.
What does it say when that's where the club is at this point.
East Coast Bias
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It’s really not all that important. No one needs to hear “here’s how you should do this” from a fan base that has been the most silent of the English super league teams. Not a peep.
I don’t agree with the methods of everything the fans have done, but it’s eye opening how many other clubs fans haven’t said a word. Namely the peoples club. The socialist, people’s man manager who was silent on the SL.
all I’ve heard from Liverpool is calls for forfeits and punishing United. That’s it. Otherwise it’s nothing. Not a word.
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Chimaera
same ol' Caps
I disagree with much of that sentiment.
Klopp has spoken, but understands, and rightfully so, that his job is to get this group of players in the CL. The players deserve it, even if the ownership does not. His loyalty is to them, and pushing for that. So, going out and being a distraction around the SL (when the owners have stepped back) doesn't really seem to make any sense.
As for the Liverpool supporters, Spirt of Shankly is taking the lead in having dialogue with the owners. The reality is, forcing some of these clubs owners to sell, is not only a gamble (who knows who you could get, and whether they're any better) at best, and not completely realistic for everyone. If the Glazers or FSG decide not to sell, there's not a lot that can force them to do so. Sure, supporters can make it untenable to an extent, but at some point, they'll find a way around that as well. So, on the Liverpool side of things, they're trying to work with the owners, and find a solution. If one isn't found, I think you're likely to see more active protests. We've seen them more or less force one group out, and it wouldn't take much to do so again. They've also been at the forefront in pushing for equity in away tickets, lowering ticket prices, and increasing access to matches. I am certain if the discussions with FSG do not go well, things will ramp up quite a bit.
But once again, I think there's a bit of a disagreement in some of the efficacy and point of some of the protests. Sure, there were some people out there protesting the match yesterday, but it didn't look like many. Many have hated the Glazers, but how much of that is because of the Glazers themselves or because the club isn't winning things, and aren't anywhere close to their crosstown rivals(A UEFA Cup, I guess, is something...). If the club was winning the title, and going out and buying the biggest stars, I think less people would be upset (I don't really think as many people are upset as it seems either to be fair). But they aren't, and they haven't been close for a bit now.
Klopp has spoken, but understands, and rightfully so, that his job is to get this group of players in the CL. The players deserve it, even if the ownership does not. His loyalty is to them, and pushing for that. So, going out and being a distraction around the SL (when the owners have stepped back) doesn't really seem to make any sense.
As for the Liverpool supporters, Spirt of Shankly is taking the lead in having dialogue with the owners. The reality is, forcing some of these clubs owners to sell, is not only a gamble (who knows who you could get, and whether they're any better) at best, and not completely realistic for everyone. If the Glazers or FSG decide not to sell, there's not a lot that can force them to do so. Sure, supporters can make it untenable to an extent, but at some point, they'll find a way around that as well. So, on the Liverpool side of things, they're trying to work with the owners, and find a solution. If one isn't found, I think you're likely to see more active protests. We've seen them more or less force one group out, and it wouldn't take much to do so again. They've also been at the forefront in pushing for equity in away tickets, lowering ticket prices, and increasing access to matches. I am certain if the discussions with FSG do not go well, things will ramp up quite a bit.
But once again, I think there's a bit of a disagreement in some of the efficacy and point of some of the protests. Sure, there were some people out there protesting the match yesterday, but it didn't look like many. Many have hated the Glazers, but how much of that is because of the Glazers themselves or because the club isn't winning things, and aren't anywhere close to their crosstown rivals(A UEFA Cup, I guess, is something...). If the club was winning the title, and going out and buying the biggest stars, I think less people would be upset (I don't really think as many people are upset as it seems either to be fair). But they aren't, and they haven't been close for a bit now.
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Jussi
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Well it's not like anyone is interested in hearing from them either.
East Coast Bias
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Yes I read it. You can't protest billionaires if you sing decade out songs about council houses? I read all the comments under the tweet too. Of Liverpool fans laughing at the protests and calling it bullshit.
Again all of this judgement about how and what you can protest, coming from a club who moaned for 5 mins about John Henry's apology but 10 days moaning about not getting a forfeit. The irony of these frauds claiming this was really about United fans wanting to stick it to Liverpool. From a fan base who has completely ran away from the debate.
I'll make this point again - with the exception of one or two regular posters here - everyone blasted the Super League. The way the owners treated fans was terrible! These owners should be ashamed/blasted/gone. Fans need to take back the game and tanking the SL was such a great win for the fan. But it became clear very quickly a lot of it was disingenuous. Because as soon as the difficult part started, many jumped off and just wanted free points.
Posters were crying here cause the match was cancelled and they had nothing to watch on tv in the US/Canada. If there's anything all of this has done for me, it's validated the frustration against foreign fans by local fans. I used to get annoyed by it and thought it was wholly unfair - but the way some people have behaved, I'm understanding it much better now
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It’s extremely hypocritical to sing about poverty when you are protesting against billionaires especially when one of your best players is trying to solve poverty and hunger. It’s not funny anymore. It’s not clever. Now is also not the time for tribalism. Everyone protests differently. I don’t know if funny Is the right word but the extremes taken , United getting to the game six hours early and putting beds in the stadium , Liverpool having to use a decoy bus. United only protesting during the games against Liverpool, it’s a little strange.
Its really not about who is doing a better job of protesting either. Liverpool’s fan group SOS is about to get two represented board seats. That’s pretty good without getting any games postponed, but that’s also not what it’s about. It’s in your team’s name. A United front with groups of rival fans working together sends the loudest message which is what the article says and I solely agree with. Yes there are going to be people on both sides that don’t want to take the high ground but maybe it’s time to. Another version of the super league is coming, and then what?
TheMoreYouKnow
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I think you're barking up the wrong tree. Attempts to turn football fans in England into a united political movement have been made by far left and far right groups for decades without success. Club/city loyalty outweighs any other consideration with this hardcore fan element.
bluesfan94
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If you think that protests should be united and occur, then you shouldn't really be calling for a forfeit because other fans protested
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Dzeko is pretty good with chest control. In fact that is the only part of his body he can control the ball with.
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See that’s where you are wrong. I did not call for forfeit because of the protest. I called for forfeit because the game had to be cancelled. They could have protested at any time or any other game. I said it at the time that I support protest.
bluesfan94
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Ah, so if the protest actually results in anything, that's the problem.
