Predict HF top 25 prospects!

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Kvashinator12 said:
how bout Petteri Nokelainen
I never liked him, and now that he is on the crappiest team on earth, I hate him more. A statue has better hands than him, his hands are made from layers of cement. He is also a pretty small guy, smaller than some of the top flight small defensive players, like John Madden. He is often compared to Jere Lehtinen, but he doesn't have any scoring potential, and isn't nearly as good defensively. My (Probably biased) opinion, is that he'll be a 4th line winger, not Top 50 Prospect worthy at all.
 

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I never liked him, and now that he is on the crappiest team on earth, I hate him more. A statue has better hands than him, his hands are made from layers of cement. He is also a pretty small guy, bad for a guy who is called a defensive player. He is compared to Jere Lehtinen, but he doesn't have any scoring potential, and isn't nearly as good defensively. My (Probably biased) opinion, is that he'll be a 4th line winger.
That didn't sound biased at all [/sarcasm]
 

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rivercanyon said:
If Henrik Lundqvist isn´t on the top 50 list, this list might be the biggest joke in history of hockey. Its all about hype with you people...

Thats what I've been saying. The kid gets NO respect. He should at least be top 20.
 

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Kvashinator12 said:
how bout Petteri Nokelainen
I haven't seen much video of him, but Nokelainen seems to be a solid and clever player. I doubt he will have big trouble making it to the NHL, but I also expect he'll be a checking-line specialist. Nokelainen and Korpikoski would both be ranked behind Tukonen based on the rules of this list (Tukonen > Nokelainen ? Korpikoski).

Unless Koivu makes the top 25 (unlikely), then the Finns will only have Kari Lehtonen in the top half :(. At least he should be in the top 2 :).
 

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It's hard to judge ....
Kostitsyn is a clear Boom or Bust prospect ...
probably one of the highest potential but also one of the worse downside ...
radulov is still IMO 3 years away from the NHL unless he develops faster than I thought ..
Perezhogin(who I like a lot) is IMO NHL ready ... if he's not in the top 25 it will be because of his Swinging stick incident ....
I left some other prospect like Kesler,Woywitka,Montoya,Leclaire,Ouellet,Bryzaglov .. who all deserves to be in the top 50 IMO ..
so it's hard to judge ... I think that commitee selected the players with the biggest chance to have a impact in the NHL ...
if it's the case i wont be surprised to see Kostitsyn left out... anyway ..
we'll see when the list will be release ! :(


I don't think this can be understated, I totally agree with you.
 

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Nokelainen and Korpikoski would both be ranked behind Tukonen based on the rules of this list (Tukonen > Nokelainen ? Korpikoski).

Unless Koivu makes the top 25 (unlikely), then the Finns will only have Kari Lehtonen in the top half :(. At least he should be in the top 2 :).
Maybe it's my homerism speaking, but I think that Korpikoski is better than Nokelainen. Korpikoski is bigger, stronger, and a bit faster. He has tremendous hockey sense, has great hands, and, even though his stats don't show, his finishing skills are pretty good. He loves to hit, and is one of the most competitive hockey players I have ever seen, which leads to an outstanding work ethic. He is also a great leader, and is a catalyst to a team. He will be a Saku Koivu or Daniel Alfredsson type player.
 

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Broadway Crosby said:
Maybe it's my homerism speaking, but I think that Korpikoski is better than Nokelainen. Korpikoski is bigger, stronger, and a bit faster. He has tremendous hockey sense, has great hands, and, even though his stats don't show, his finishing skills are pretty good. He loves to hit, and is one of the most competitive hockey players I have ever seen, which leads to an outstanding work ethic. He is also a great leader, and is a catalyst to a team. He will be a Saku Koivu or Daniel Alfredsson type player.
Personally, I like Korpikoski better, too, but it is easier to say that after he made TPS' first team this year, which has affirmed some of the promise from last season.

If you based everything on last season's showings, you could say that Korpikoski had more intriguing potential, but it would have been difficult to rank him higher than Nokelainen. You have to consider that Nokelainen (and still is) was much more the known entitiy, and thought of as a very safe pick. He probably still is a safer bet than Korpikoski.

I'd be overjoyed if Korpikoski becomes Koivu or Alfredsson, but I think that's shooting for the moon.
 
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Maybe it's my homerism speaking, but I think that Korpikoski is better than Nokelainen. Korpikoski is bigger, stronger, and a bit faster. He has tremendous hockey sense, has great hands, and, even though his stats don't show, his finishing skills are pretty good. He loves to hit, and is one of the most competitive hockey players I have ever seen, which leads to an outstanding work ethic. He is also a great leader, and is a catalyst to a team. He will be a Saku Koivu or Daniel Alfredsson type player.
:lol
Homerism at it's best. Korpikoski drafted by Rangers: "Next Koivu or Alfredsson."
Nokelainen drafted by Islanders: "4th line winger"
 

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Broadway Crosby said:
Maybe it's my homerism speaking, but I think that Korpikoski is better than Nokelainen. Korpikoski is bigger, stronger, and a bit faster. He has tremendous hockey sense, has great hands, and, even though his stats don't show, his finishing skills are pretty good. He loves to hit, and is one of the most competitive hockey players I have ever seen, which leads to an outstanding work ethic. He is also a great leader, and is a catalyst to a team. He will be a Saku Koivu or Daniel Alfredsson type player.


Nokelainen has outshined both of them at the U20 tournament, except the one good game Tukonen had, who i would have preferred anyway. Koivu or Alfredsson? Are you serious? Just a quick question how many times have you seen Korpiksoski play?
 

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Nokelainen has outshined both of them at the U20 tournament, except the one good game Tukonen had, who i would have preferred anyway. Koivu or Alfredsson? Are you serious? Just a quick question how many times have you seen Korpiksoski play?

I'd hope he outshines him. Isn't Korpikoski hurt?
 

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Kvashinator12 said:
Nokelainen has outshined both of them at the U20 tournament, except the one good game Tukonen had, who i would have preferred anyway. Koivu or Alfredsson? Are you serious? Just a quick question how many times have you seen Korpiksoski play?
It was easy for Nokelainen to outshine Korpikoski at the recent tournament: Lauri wasn't there, he's out with a knee injury. In fact, I would not be surprised that that line had a relatively poor tournament largely because of the lack of Korpikoski and his in-your-face, forchecking style. By all accounts, Korpikoski, Nokelainen, and Tukonen compliment each other very well.

I haven't followed Nokelainen very much this season, but Korpikoski was playing well before he was injured in training. He was the only TPS junior to make the first team, and even played on the first line after Robert Vacilevic left the team. His stats don't show it, but from what I've read, he's had a positive impact on the team.

Right now, Tukonen is the pick of the three, but I think it will be interesting to see which one of the three ends up having the best career.
 

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yeah korpikoski is out hurt with a knee injury right now...hopefully should be back in time for the WJC

i dunno about korpikoski's top end potential, i haven't seen him play so i can't say for sure...going from scouting reports he *could* be a player like alfredsson, but he'll need to get his offense going first. he's a prospect that's gonna take some time to develop though, not the kind you expect to be playing in the NHL next year or something
 

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Broadway Crosby said:
Maybe it's my homerism speaking, but I think that Korpikoski is better than Nokelainen. Korpikoski is bigger, stronger, and a bit faster. He has tremendous hockey sense, has great hands, and, even though his stats don't show, his finishing skills are pretty good. He loves to hit, and is one of the most competitive hockey players I have ever seen, which leads to an outstanding work ethic. He is also a great leader, and is a catalyst to a team. He will be a Saku Koivu or Daniel Alfredsson type player.


damn....shoulda went 2nd overall, screw that Malkin guy or whatever. :lol

best part of this statement is "Korpikoski is bigger, stronger, and a bit faster. He has tremendous hockey sense, has great hands, and, even though his stats don't show, his finishing skills are pretty good."
 

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Mark Stuart? He just doesn't go from 15th to OFF THE LIST.
I went out on a huge limb with him not being on the list, Stuart just doesn't seem to have the same upside as most the guys on that list. And if Grebeshkov and Whitney are that far down the list, I can't see Stuart being 20 or 30 spots ahead of them.
 

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Broadway Crosby said:
Maybe it's my homerism speaking, but I think that Korpikoski is better than Nokelainen. Korpikoski is bigger, stronger, and a bit faster. He has tremendous hockey sense, has great hands, and, even though his stats don't show, his finishing skills are pretty good. He loves to hit, and is one of the most competitive hockey players I have ever seen, which leads to an outstanding work ethic. He is also a great leader, and is a catalyst to a team. He will be a Saku Koivu or Daniel Alfredsson type player.

You're like 13. And you've seen Korpikoski where? Please tell me. I go to Europe once or twice a year to see some games live and I haven't seen him yet so I'm wondering where you get anything besides 5 second video clips.
 

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I went out on a huge limb with him not being on the list, Stuart just doesn't seem to have the same upside as most the guys on that list. And if Grebeshkov and Whitney are that far down the list, I can't see Stuart being 20 or 30 spots ahead of them.
If he is on the list though, are you going to throw a fit once again about HF being biased and such? :shakehead
http://www.hockeysfuture.com/prospect.php?pid=3558
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Mark Stuart is going to be a top four NHL defenseman, the only question is what kind will he be. If his offensive game isn’t very strong a frequent comparison is that he will be a Mike Rathje like player. However, some feel his upside is as high as to become a Scott Stevens-like player. Stuart will spend 2004-05 as a junior at Colorado College.

He won't be as good offensively as Whitney and Grebeshkov, but will be better defensively and will have more leadership. Stuart has the making of being a future captain.

Of course, why should I post this considering you mainly don't care about HF's analysis of talent.
 

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If he is on the list though, are you going to throw a fit once again about HF being biased and such? :shakehead
http://www.hockeysfuture.com/prospect.php?pid=3558


He won't be as good offensively as Whitney and Grebeshkov, but will be better defensively and will have more leadership. Stuart has the making of being a future captain.

Of course, why should I post this considering you mainly don't care about HF's analysis of talent.
As I said, he's not on the list. Not because he doesn't deserve to be in the top 50, but because of the way they are ranking defensemen. If Grebeshkov can fall from 16 to 44 or whatever, it makes sense that Mark Stuart is left off.

He's a safe prospect with great leadership, but his upside is not in the same league as some of the later ranked defensemen... Eminger, Colaiacovo, Whitney, Grebeshkov.
 

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NYRangers said:
He'd be lucky to crack the top 85, honestly.


http://www.eliteprospects.com/news.php?news=1157
Read the whole story.
Bottom line: we have 2 very good prospects,give them time.


F – Petteri Nokelainen
Received the award for most valuable Finnish player in the tournament and skated hard in this game as well. A very complete player that was more spectacular than Tukonen, and excellent on the penalty killing unit.


F – Robert Nilsson
The best Swedish forward offensively. Nilsson scored both Sweden’s goal and showcased the best puckhandling skills tonight


Not bad for the Isles prospects
 
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