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Have there been any real trades aside from Duchene? I get that we want Rf to do things but no one is. Trades are rare, and I keep reading quotes that the sellers are asking for outrageous returns currently. The Duchene effect apparently. I hope he stays the course if that’s the case.

There weren’t very many pick for player trades this summer were there? People keep referencing the picks this summer. If no one is offering a fair trade why would we do it? Do we really think he didn’t try? That’s ridiculous. He did make a bunch of moves overall, and they weren’t all bad.

Making trades for the sake of making trades is nonsensical. I get we’re frustrated but Francis has done a pretty good job assembling the team and building through the draft. We’ll see at the deadline if anyone that could actually help us gets traded for something we would’ve paid.

I would hope at least one kid gets called up.

Ps. Did anyone else read Luke’s article tearing this team to pieces? I don’t think I’ve seen an article blasting the team top to bottom like that maybe ever. He almost sounds drunk he’s so annoyed.

Carolina Hurricanes are broken, and even their coach admits it now
 

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You could use the same excuses for any GM of a bad team that refuses to do anything about their team being bad. I honestly have no clue how anyone could say he's doing a good job. Many of our FA and trade acquisitions have done very little or have completely busted, players seem to be regressing, etc.

At which point does he get blamed for this team being a bad to mediocre team that can't make the playoffs in a league where over half the teams make the playoffs? How many more seasons of the same does it take to put blame on him? I'm being serious here.
 

Negan4Coach

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If I were RF I'd take the following measures:

- Fire Bill Peters (not that this is all his fault but the situation is unsalvagable with him still at the helm.)
- Fire Rod. He has sat there and watched everything burn for years and done nothing to help.
- Strip the C from the concave chests of Faulk and Staal. Give the C to Williams and the additional A to McGinn.
- Darling on waivers, let him find his game in Charlotte.
- Bring up Ned, Zykov and Gauthier. Tell Gauthier he is to be a wrecking ball on the ice.
- Hire a coach in the interim who is a disciplinarian and see how that works out.

And if I were the owner I'd fire RF if he didn't do the above and submit a comprehensive, radical plan for how he intends to un-f*** this mess next year.

That's be a good start but ultimately they have to get a different mix of personalities in that room. RF's vision of building a perennial playoff team via having a solid D corps is a failure. It might have worked had he focused on getting a good goaltender first before spending all his draft picks on Fluery, Hanafin, etc.
 

NotOpie

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As much as I want to slash RFs tires for basically accomplishing nothing that counts while he's been here, he was probably being truthful. Now, I think his days are numbered under TD if things don't change, but we may not have trades available because players don't want to come here. That's a ****ty thought, but a very real possibility.

Absent a "no trade/no movement clause" the player has no say in a trade. That said, I'm inclined to agree with those who said there really wasn't a good deal to be made. I'm okay with that.

If I were RF I'd take the following measures:

- Fire Bill Peters (not that this is all his fault but the situation is unsalvagable with him still at the helm.)
- Strip the C from the concave chests of Faulk and Staal. Give the C to Williams and the additional A to McGinn.
- Darling on waivers, let him find his game in Charlotte.

While I don't agree with all of this, there are a couple of moves I'd make. Firing Bill Peters would satisfy some of the blood lust here on the board and might, actually, not be the worst idea....it does feel like he's out of ideas and has "lost the proverbial room". That said, Luke's comments about the team having no identity seem to ring awfully true. Kev's comments about the team lacking talent are also partially true, or at least the right kind of talent. Still when a coach figuratively throws up his hands and publicly admits to being out of ideas, that's never a good sign.

Faulk has been a dumpster fire for the better part of this season. He's played a little better as of late, but not at the level he needs to be. The reality is that he needs to be better, not the least of which so he enhances his trade value. I'm not sure that messing with his "C" does anything to help him or his broader value to the team.

You don't have to put Darling on waivers, you just need to get him to agree to a conditioning stint in Charlotte, which I've got to believe he would do. As mentally fragile as he seems to be, he'd likely do anything to right the ship. But as many have said, he's not the reason we lost the last two.

The Jeff Skinner drama is perhaps the most confusing. He goes from lazy, to manic, to just plain stupid over the course of a game. To me, he's become the elephant in the room. He's not scoring and he's not playing defense. The only Jeff Skinner line that works in his mind is the Skinner/Skinner/Skinner line. Can we honestly say anybody "plays well with Skinner"?

Maybe you sit some vets for a game or three....with the effort of the last two outings, it's hard to see how our results could be any worse. Right now, nobody has any answers, but doing the same thing over and over again just won't work.
 

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Absent a "no trade/no movement clause" the player has no say in a trade. That said, I'm inclined to agree with those who said there really wasn't a good deal to be made. I'm okay with that.



While I don't agree with all of this, there are a couple of moves I'd make. Firing Bill Peters would satisfy some of the blood lust here on the board and might, actually, not be the worst idea....it does feel like he's out of ideas and has "lost the proverbial room". That said, Luke's comments about the team having no identity seem to ring awfully true. Kev's comments about the team lacking talent are also partially true, or at least the right kind of talent. Still when a coach figuratively throws up his hands and publicly admits to being out of ideas, that's never a good sign.

Faulk has been a dumpster fire for the better part of this season. He's played a little better as of late, but not at the level he needs to be. The reality is that he needs to be better, not the least of which so he enhances his trade value. I'm not sure that messing with his "C" does anything to help him or his broader value to the team.

You don't have to put Darling on waivers, you just need to get him to agree to a conditioning stint in Charlotte, which I've got to believe he would do. As mentally fragile as he seems to be, he'd likely do anything to right the ship. But as many have said, he's not the reason we lost the last two.

The Jeff Skinner drama is perhaps the most confusing. He goes from lazy, to manic, to just plain stupid over the course of a game. To me, he's become the elephant in the room. He's not scoring and he's not playing defense. The only Jeff Skinner line that works in his mind is the Skinner/Skinner/Skinner line. Can we honestly say anybody "plays well with Skinner"?

Maybe you sit some vets for a game or three....with the effort of the last two outings, it's hard to see how our results could be any worse. Right now, nobody has any answers, but doing the same thing over and over again just won't work.

I don’t think you can just put Darling on a conditioning stint because we want to and he agrees to it. He’s not coming off an injury of any sort so where’s the justification? I believe he would have to pass through waivers which wouldn’t be an issue unfortunately.
 

NotOpie

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I don’t think you can just put Darling on a conditioning stint because we want to and he agrees to it. He’s not coming off an injury of any sort so where’s the justification? I believe he would have to pass through waivers which wouldn’t be an issue unfortunately.

I'm pretty certain, as long as we're not trying to circumvent a salary issue and Darling agrees, he can be sent down on a conditioning stint.
 

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I couldn't figure out what the breakout or zone entry was supposed to be today. I'm curious what it was supposed to look like in Bill Peters perfect world.

I'm with you Wally. I've been to the last 4 games and in a set of games where Dundon has been doing things to bring fans into the building, the style of play has sucked the life out of the building. 80% of the time, it's dump and chase with guys that aren't able to execute the chase (and many times, even the dump). I know (at least hope) that isn't what he wants them to do, but I can't tell what he does want them to do.
 

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I'm pretty certain, as long as we're not trying to circumvent a salary issue and Darling agrees, he can be sent down on a conditioning stint.

I think you’re actually right now that I’ve done some research. The league reserves the right to investigate any conditioning stint to make sure it’s not an attempt to circumvent waivers but like you said, as long as both sides agree it’s usually good.
 

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Have there been any real trades aside from Duchene? I get that we want Rf to do things but no one is. Trades are rare, and I keep reading quotes that the sellers are asking for outrageous returns currently. The Duchene effect apparently. I hope he stays the course if that’s the case.

There weren’t very many pick for player trades this summer were there? People keep referencing the picks this summer. If no one is offering a fair trade why would we do it? Do we really think he didn’t try? That’s ridiculous. He did make a bunch of moves overall, and they weren’t all bad.

Making trades for the sake of making trades is nonsensical. I get we’re frustrated but Francis has done a pretty good job assembling the team and building through the draft. We’ll see at the deadline if anyone that could actually help us gets traded for something we would’ve paid.

I would hope at least one kid gets called up.

Ps. Did anyone else read Luke’s article tearing this team to pieces? I don’t think I’ve seen an article blasting the team top to bottom like that maybe ever. He almost sounds drunk he’s so annoyed.

Carolina Hurricanes are broken, and even their coach admits it now

Wow... Way too much truth in that article given how bleak a picture it paints.
 

tarheelhockey

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Can we honestly say anybody "plays well with Skinner"?

Derek Ryan, though granted it’s mainly because Ryan is there exclusively to feed Skinner the puck and not try to do other things.

Regarding Peters, we’ve probably reached the point where a shake-up firing is the next move. Try and get the stereotypical new-coach winning surge and put the team over the playoff bubble, then go from there. It’s not entirely fair to Peters but it’s the obvious move right now.

I do think the co-captain nonsense needs to be shelved. Williams was snubbed for that leadership role and it feels more and more wrong as we watch this play out.
 

NotOpie

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Derek Ryan, though granted it’s mainly because Ryan is there exclusively to feed Skinner the puck and not try to do other things.

Regarding Peters, we’ve probably reached the point where a shake-up firing is the next move. Try and get the stereotypical new-coach winning surge and put the team over the playoff bubble, then go from there. It’s not entirely fair to Peters but it’s the obvious move right now.

I do think the co-captain nonsense needs to be shelved. Williams was snubbed for that leadership role and it feels more and more wrong as we watch this play out.
I would have originally said Ryan myself, but as the season has worn on, that hasn't aged as well either. He's had 2 goals and 3 points in the last month and is a -11 (yeah, I know, shitty stat, but still...). I'm not entirely blaming Skinner either. He's lost and only doing what he knows how to do. The defensive lapses are problematic however.

Yeah, Peters seems to be nearly as lost as Skinner. A few weeks ago, it felt like he wasn't able to get through to the guys, the ship sort of righted itself, but it now seems as bad as ever...and that's what I think the problem is....his message isn't getting through, or it is the wrong message, not sure which....and I really like the guy, but something in his scheme is broken.
 

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That's the thing that drives me nuts. Our centers have sucked this year, and have been a major, major weakness in this team. Meanwhile, we have Lindholm and Aho, both natural centers, and don't play them at center. We put Lindholm there a few games, and he was pretty good. He sucks at wing, Rask does less harm on wing, so why not run with that full time, or put Rask on the 4th line and bump Kruger to wing (or to the pressbox?) We have Aho, who the team says they want to move to center at some point, but Peters never gives him the chance to establish himself there despite clearly being the best player in this entire lineup. If you're hitting the line blender so often, could you at least try a few different guys at center who aren't useless? The only center we have who absolutely has to play at center is Jordan. The rest aren't doing anything special enough to justify not moving them around.

Lindholm was a natural center when he was drafted and came here for sure. I agree that I wouldn't mind trying him there again rather than a 4th line RW.

IIRC though, Aho never really played much center except for that WJC stint because he was much better suited to play there vs. Laine and Puljujarvi, but in Karpat, he was predominately a winger. I know he's smart, I know the Canes say they will move him there eventually (although I have my doubts), and he probably could be effective at C, but his game is very well suited to the wing as well. The TT-Staal-Aho line is the only line that actually works, so not sure I'd mess with that.

I'd give Lindholm a shot at C and maybe bring up Wallmark and give him a try as well. It might just be like re-arranging deck chairs on the titanic, but it can't be worse than watching the Ryan line spend 40s of every shift in the defensive zone.
 

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I just don’t see a center when I look at Aho. Same as it was with Skinner back when the team was still hinting he could be a center. Nothing about their games or physical stature suggests to me that we would want them in that role.

Nothing about Ryan’s game or physical stature suggests we would want him in that role either, but here we are :sarcasm:
 

Boom Boom Apathy

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To be fair, Skinner spends most of those shifts in the neutral zone, not defensive zone.


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