Post-Game Talk: Pre-Season Game #5: Canucks 1 vs. Kings 4

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  1. Zombotron

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    Dahlen an early cut.

    Gotta have our Gagners and Granlunds getting their ice to get ready for the opener.
     
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    Honestly wouldn't mind seeing Pettersson and Boeser together at even strength.

    Goldobin / Pettersson / Boeser
    Baertschi / Horvat / Virtanen
     
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    Dahlen hasn't done enough to warrant starting the season with the Canucks. Based on his training camp performance, he might benefit more from starting the season with the Utica Comets.

    Filip Forsberg, who left the Allsvenskan to join the Nashville Predators, spent his first full North American season in the AHL. William Nylander spent some time in the AHL too.

    Elias Pettersson is the exception, but Dahlen might need to make the same adjustment that those two did from the Swedish professional leagues to NHL hockey. He's only 20 years old.
     
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    Fair enough.

    What if Benning trades Goldobin for **** all, or waives and loses him, to keep guys like granlund/gagner/schaller/beagle/roussell?
     
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    Not really?

    Forsberg played for the predators before he was sent down to the ahl and the next season basically split time.

    The leafs kept Nylander down because they were tanking for Matthews.

    In both cases its important to note that they didn't have European assignment clauses since most GMs wouldn't put that into an elc.

    There has not typically been much of an adjustment period between Allsvenskan and NHL. I would expect to see Dahlen back soon. I would be supremely disappointed if he spent the whole season in Utica. That would be quite bad.
     
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    Well, there's always Sweden. He does have that in his contract. If riding the bus in upstate NY isn't to his taste he can always scoot back across the ocean.

    And whoo yeah, another preseason game.
     
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    Goldobin has looked like garbage, so no loss really. He's been given plum opportunities on the top 2 lines and looks out of place against AHL/NHL split squads.

    The fact we only have 4 top 6 forwards on our team is a problem, but it doesn't mean we need to gift Goldobin a spot when our tweener-squad outplays him.
     
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    Forsberg played 5 games for Nashville in 2012-13. He scored zero goals and was a -5.

    The following season, he played a dozen games with the Predators to start the year and scored one goal. He was sent down for the remainder of the year, and was called up for one game in March.

    Comments from the Predators section of HF when he was sent down in November 2013:
    This timeline indicates that he was not ready to play in the NHL as of the start of 2013-14, and used the remainder of that season in the AHL to develop as a player. He logged 47 games in the AHL that year.
    They were successful. I think Vancouver is looking to add a top-line forward to their arsenal.
    What did you see in Dahlen's play this week to suggest he was better than his competition at training camp?
     
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    Agreed. If this team wants two scoring lines then I like the idea of pairing up Pettersson/Boeser and Horvat/Baertschi
     
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    Nothing. As I said I am very disappointed in his trajectory.
     
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    I would be patient. He shows flashes of NHL-caliber offense. I posted evidence above that Filip Forsberg needed a season in the AHL to develop his game at even strength. He effectively played himself out of a top-nine role at the start of the 2013-14 NHL season and was reassigned to Milwaukee after October.

    He was recalled in March 2014, played one game, and then was sent back to Milwaukee.

    Some even felt, based on his play in Milwaukee, that he wasn't ready to play in the NHL:
     
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    True but that was immediately after he was drafted he got a cup of coffee in Nashville. This is Dahlen's D+3. If what you are saying is true then it reinforces that he should have spent last season in Utica and lost a year of development by going back to Timra..

    I don't put a lot of stock in scouting reports from fans whose reputation is unknown so you're wasting your time digging up these quotes.
     
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    2013-14 was Forsberg's D+2 season. Forsberg, the consensus second-best prospect of the 2012 NHL Draft, did not become an NHL regular until his D+3 season.

    Dahlen improved his numbers from his D+1 season to his D+2 season. He wasn't a Top 10 pick; usually, the more NHL-ready players are drafted earlier. Forsberg was a consensus Top 5 pick in 2012: ISS and Craig Button ranked him #2 overall; TSN ranked him #3; Sportsnet ranked him #4; Future Considerations ranked him #5 overall. Often, those who are drafted later have more deficiencies to work on. There are exceptions, but Dahlen isn't one of them. He is improving on a year-to-year basis, which is what matters.

    TSN 2012 final rankings: 2012 Final TSN Draft Ranking: 1-10
    ISS 2012 final rankings: ISS Draft Rankings (June 2012)
    Sportsnet: 2012 NHL Draft: Top 30 Prospects - Sportsnet.ca
    Future Considerations 2012 final rankings: Sarnia duo top FC’s Final Ranking for 2012 - Future Considerations - Future Considerations

    NHLNumbers.com compiled a consensus ranking for 2012, and Forsberg was #2 overall based on their weighted system: 2012 NHL Draft Top 100 - June Update: Yakupov is Unanimous | NHLNumbers.com
     
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    We shall see.

    I would hope that he at least makes his nhl debut this year, and puts up roughly a point per game in Utica. That is my expectation for him this season.

    Jesper Bratt was a sixth round pick taken from the Allsvenskan in the same draft and he played all of last season in the NHL. Dahlen is falling behind.
     
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    Their individual reputations are immaterial. He's done a good job revealing the commonplace feeling amongst the fanbase who were following the prospects of their team, about where Forsberg was and what he needed to develop and make it to the next level.
     
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    Sure, and it does nothing to change my point. I acknowledge his position without the quotes.
     
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    I've been fairly vocal about Goldoblins inconsistent play this pre season,but to say he's been 'garbage',or 'looks out of place', is totally out of line..​
     
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    I think the most immediate issue with regards to tonight's game is that it's apparently not being televised on Sportsnet. The Kings' station is broadcasting the game in LA, and NHL Network US is joining the game in-progress.
    Did Sportsnet not want to send a TV crew down to Salt Lake City?
     
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    Well true, compared to all the other garbage on this roster he doesnt look out of place at all. :laugh:
     
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    I thought he played rather well in his debut alongside Elias Pettersson. They seemed to read off of one another well. That chemistry seemed to disappear in subsequent appearances together.



    Baertschi was their linemate in the first two games. Gagner was their linemate during the first half of the Flames match.

    I'd like to see how Leipsic works with them, considering those two could benefit from having a quick, creative forechecker on their line. If this is a successful combination, then Baertschi can remain with Horvat and Boeser.

    Baertschi-Horvat-Boeser
    Leipsic-Pettersson-Goldobin
     
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    Not surprised to see Dahlen sent down early. It was pretty clear that he has a good amount of work to do before he is NHL ready. He should be in Utica for the first half of the season to work on things and not be bothered with NHL callups. Second half of the season you look to start getting him NHL games.
     
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    Pettersson shouldnt play anymore preaseason games. I dont think he has more to prove. It is a long season anyway.
     
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    What about his game has been good? His defense is terrible, his offense has only showed up on the PP, and he has barely even registered any shots on net.
     
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    Dahlén seems very disappointed about going down to ahl when talking to swe media.
     

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