Big Phil
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Pat Quinn - As the coach not as the player of course. The thing that bothers me about Quinn is that he has never won the Cup. It may not be an issue to some but to me a coach that hasnt won is similar to a goaltender that hasnt won. Eddie Giacomin is pretty much the only goalie I can think of who is a sure-fire deserving hall of Famer that never won a Cup. No one argues about Giacomin. But then again there was a time span when he was the best goalie in the game. Quinn won Gold in Salt Lake in '02 and coached Canada to the World Cup in '04. Twice he was coach of the year ('80 and '92). 5 times he coached teams to 100+ point seasons and he twice sent his teams into the Cup final. It'll be hard to see how the Hall can ommit a guy that has over 600 wins. Quinn himself is on the HHOF committee. Still though he's been near the elite for a long time and from 1987 to 2006 his teams did not miss the playoffs
Pat Burns - Unlike Quinn he won a Cup in 2003. He coached in another Cup final in '89 his first year. He was coach of the year in '89, ;93, '98. What's going for him is not just the Cup but the fact that he improved every team he started with the instant he stepped in there. He led teams to two 100+ point seasons. Boston was last in the league in '97 and the next year they made the playoffs and had 91 points.
Mike Keenan - IMO I dont know how the Hall cant induct him. Love him or not he's had a lot of success in many markets. He was coach of the year in '85. The Flyers led the league in points that year after losing Clarke, Barber and Sittler. Keenan coached Canada Cup victories in '87 and '91. He won the Cup in '94. He's coached 5 100+ point seasons. He's made the Cup finals three other times. The thing that bugs me is that since '94 he's been lousy for the most part. That bugs me about him. And his win/loss % has gotten worse over the years. He did nothing in Vancouver, Boston and Florida and so far with Calgary he's looking grim.
Bryan Murray - He's choked in so many opportunities and at times when his teams were poised to win. Washington should have never lost in the playoffs at that frequency that they did and sometimes you thought that Murray had the knack of being badly outcoached. In the regular season he has had tremendous success. He's coached very good teams. The thing is that he isnt unlike Quinn, with no Cup and good regular season success. Except at times when Canada came calling for top level tournys it was guys like Bowman, Sather, Keenan and Quinn that were asked. That hurts him but can it keep him out of the Hall? All four of the above coaches have better resumes than the lovable Roger Neilson if that helps any.
Fred Shero - I know everyone hated the Flyers back then but isnt it about time we acknowledge Shero? He had more success than Don Cherry and considerably less than Bowman in the same time frame. While Bowman is a ways ahead of him the truth is was there a more succesful coach in the 70s than Freddie the Fog? 390-225-119 is a great record. He also has 2 Cups, 4 visits to the Cup finals and 5 100+ point seasons. Not to mention he created a style that was great, not always popular but great and very successful
Ken Hitchcock - Everything he has touched has turned to gold. Yes just one Cup so far in Dallas but while he was not popular with his style he used it well and for about 5-6 years Dallas was always an elite contender. He went to Philly and transformed them as well even though they had the good team to begin with. What impresses me is what he's done on Columbus so far. He has taken a team of a one trick pony (Rick Nash) and basically a bunch of glorified AHLers and turned them into a .500 team flirting with a playoff spot. Who would have guessed that? Not me. By the end of his career he'll have a hard time staying out of the Hall. Canada has asked him for help with the Olympic teams for a reason
Side Note: Just for fun how about talking about a guy like Viktor Tikhonov. I'm almost positive he isnt a Hall of Famer yet.
Pat Burns - Unlike Quinn he won a Cup in 2003. He coached in another Cup final in '89 his first year. He was coach of the year in '89, ;93, '98. What's going for him is not just the Cup but the fact that he improved every team he started with the instant he stepped in there. He led teams to two 100+ point seasons. Boston was last in the league in '97 and the next year they made the playoffs and had 91 points.
Mike Keenan - IMO I dont know how the Hall cant induct him. Love him or not he's had a lot of success in many markets. He was coach of the year in '85. The Flyers led the league in points that year after losing Clarke, Barber and Sittler. Keenan coached Canada Cup victories in '87 and '91. He won the Cup in '94. He's coached 5 100+ point seasons. He's made the Cup finals three other times. The thing that bugs me is that since '94 he's been lousy for the most part. That bugs me about him. And his win/loss % has gotten worse over the years. He did nothing in Vancouver, Boston and Florida and so far with Calgary he's looking grim.
Bryan Murray - He's choked in so many opportunities and at times when his teams were poised to win. Washington should have never lost in the playoffs at that frequency that they did and sometimes you thought that Murray had the knack of being badly outcoached. In the regular season he has had tremendous success. He's coached very good teams. The thing is that he isnt unlike Quinn, with no Cup and good regular season success. Except at times when Canada came calling for top level tournys it was guys like Bowman, Sather, Keenan and Quinn that were asked. That hurts him but can it keep him out of the Hall? All four of the above coaches have better resumes than the lovable Roger Neilson if that helps any.
Fred Shero - I know everyone hated the Flyers back then but isnt it about time we acknowledge Shero? He had more success than Don Cherry and considerably less than Bowman in the same time frame. While Bowman is a ways ahead of him the truth is was there a more succesful coach in the 70s than Freddie the Fog? 390-225-119 is a great record. He also has 2 Cups, 4 visits to the Cup finals and 5 100+ point seasons. Not to mention he created a style that was great, not always popular but great and very successful
Ken Hitchcock - Everything he has touched has turned to gold. Yes just one Cup so far in Dallas but while he was not popular with his style he used it well and for about 5-6 years Dallas was always an elite contender. He went to Philly and transformed them as well even though they had the good team to begin with. What impresses me is what he's done on Columbus so far. He has taken a team of a one trick pony (Rick Nash) and basically a bunch of glorified AHLers and turned them into a .500 team flirting with a playoff spot. Who would have guessed that? Not me. By the end of his career he'll have a hard time staying out of the Hall. Canada has asked him for help with the Olympic teams for a reason
Side Note: Just for fun how about talking about a guy like Viktor Tikhonov. I'm almost positive he isnt a Hall of Famer yet.