Discussion in 'International Tournaments' started by SopelFan*, Jul 21, 2004.
For any countries...
Mario Lemieux - Joe Thornton - Danny Heatley
Ryan Smyth - Joe Sakic - Jarome Iginla
Kirk Maltby - Kris Draper - Shane Doan
Brad Richards - Vincent Lecavalier - Martin St. Louis
ex: Simon Gagne, Brendan Morrow, Patrick Marleau
Chris Pronger - Rob Blake
Scott Neidermayer - Wade Redden
Adam Foote - Ed Jovanovski
ex: Robyn Regehr, Eric Brewer
ex: Ed Befour
I'd imagine Gagne - Sakic - Iginla will be a line. However, I cant see Canada sitting Ryan Smyth.
Heatley - Thornton - Lemieux
Gagne - Sakic - Iginla
Richards - Lecavalier - St. Louis
Maltby - Draper - Doan
Pronger - Blake
ex: Robyn Regehr, Eric Brewer
For Canada, the only line that I think is a guarantee to START the tournament is the Gagne-Sakic-Iginla line.
Will Sweden put out the Naslund-Forsberg-Alfredsson line
I was looking forward to an Axelsson-Nylander line, but Nylander isn't going
This is my Team Sweden line up:
Yes I agree with the above post, Sakic-Gagne-Iggy is gaurenteed to start and will most likely be our top line. Heres how I see things. Since Vinny has been called, I really think its obvious that the 3 bolt stars will be on a line together.
Foote-Niedermayer (they played so well last time and were our most stable pairing)
Redden-Brewer/Reghr/or the substitute for blake.
If Blake plays, then I would see Blake with Foote most likely.
I would put
Zetterberg Forsberg Naslund
Ekman Sundin Alfy
Sedin Sedin Modin
Pahlsson Johnsson Nilson
I love the twins but there's no room for them in my opinion. I think Axelsson definitely should be in the line-up, since he has good defensive skills and great chemistry with Sundin, and that means I must leave one spot open on the LW.
I'd rather want Johansson out there than one of the Sedin twins alone (not saying they can't play without eachother).
By writing "Johnsson" at center on the 4th line, did you mean Andreas Johansson or Jorgen Jonsson? Jonsson is one of Sweden's key players IMO.
Can't you dress 20 skaters, or is that just for the Olympics?
I was going to post Zambia's lineup but I realized I didn't know any Zambian players. So I have to go with Sweden and the WC lineup I want to see:
Zetterberg Sundin Modin
Forsberg JÃ¶nsson NÃ¤slund
Sedin Sedin Alfredsson
Axelsson PÃ¥hlsson Nilson
A. Johansson, HolmstrÃ¶m, Ekman, TÃ¤rnstrÃ¶m, BÃ¤ckman, Salo.
Throw in HolmstrÃ¶m on the PP with Sundin or Modin as a d-man. JÃ¶nsson is the perfect match for Foppa and NÃ¤slund, he would take care of all the defensive work. Sundin is our captain and the A's goes to JÃ¶nsson and LidstrÃ¶m. I would like to have BÃ¤ckman as our 6th d-man but he isn't experienced enough...
Let's go for gold Sweden!!
Id but alfy on the top unit, and modin with the twins. Other than that, its a great lineup. Also, Sweden has three awesome shut down defenders, something that only Canada has. Ohlund, Norstrom, and Lidstrom.
Also, id move nilson to center, and take out pahlsson and put in holmstrom in the more physical games
NÃ¤slund Forsberg Alfredsson
Zetterberg Sundin JÃ¶nsson
Sedin Sedin Modin
Axelsson Nilson HolmstrÃ¶m
(assuming they are happy playing on these sides). Ohlund-Norstrom becomes a dedicated shutdown pairing capable of taking on powerforwards. This frees up Lidstrom to play against speedier pairings and to play a more offensive game.
I have a try at how I think Sweden will line up.
Goal: Tellquist as starter, with Salo as his backup.
This is Tellquistâ€™s job to lose. He has a history with the coach and probably won the status of default starter for Sweden in last years world championship. Salo needs to outperform him by a clear margin in camp in order to win back the job as starter. Lundqvist is back-up at best, and only if Salo is horrible in camp.
Defense: LidstrÃ¶m â€“ NorstrÃ¶m
Johnson â€“ Ragnarsson
TjÃ¤rnqvist â€“ Ã–hlund
Scratches: TÃ¤rnstrÃ¶m and BÃ¤ckman
Unless Ragnarsson or Ã–hlund screw it up in camp, the only real competition for places will be between TÃ¤rnstrÃ¶m and TjÃ¤rnqvist for sixth spot â€“ BÃ¤ckman has already been told he is the eigth d-man. TjÃ¤rnqvist has a slight advantage, being a favourite of the coach. The pairings are tougher to predict, but these make most sense to me.
Forwards NÃ¤slund â€“ Forsberg â€“ Modin
Zetterberg â€“ Sundin â€“ Alfredsson
Ekman â€“ PÃ¥hlsson â€“ Nilson
Axelsson â€“ JÃ¶nsson â€“ HolmstrÃ¶m
Scratches: Johansson, H. Sedin, D.Sedin.
Well, here is the real intrigue. The only thing I am certain of is that Forsberg will center NÃ¤slund and someone else and that Sundin will center Alfredsson and someone else, and that Modin and Zetterberg will play on the top three lines. Everything else is more or less up in the air and will probably be decided upon after camp. The coach has indicated that the two top lines will be top-heavy with talent and told to attack. Indirectly he has indicated that the third and fourth line will be strong defensively â€“ Nylander was omitted because he wasnâ€™t good enough for the two top lines â€“ Sundin and Forsberg centering them â€“ and not a â€third line type of playerâ€, i. e. not much of a two-way center.
If they are serious about putting more or less all firepower on the two top lines, Modin should play with Forsberg and Zetterberg with Sundin. Modin could be put with Sundin, due to their common history, but that is unlikely since that would put three of the teams four best snipers on the same line. Another option is to put Zetterberg or Zetterberg and Modin on the third line in order to strengthen that line, and fill out the remaining positions on the top lines with role-players.
The third and fourth line is virtually impossible to predict at this point, but assuming that they want them to be defensively oriented, I would guess that PÃ¥hlsson (best Swedish forward in the World Championships) and JÃ¶nsson (another favourite of the coach) are frontrunners for the spots as center. Nilson and HolmstrÃ¶m will probably play as well â€“ Sweden have few of their kind and HolmstrÃ¶m could be invaluable on the power play. Axelsson is a reliable penalty killer, and since the coaches will probably try to spare the top lines from such duties, could probably claim a spot. Ekman and Johansson are tough to separate, but Ekman is coming off the better season and has â€“ at least in Sweden â€“ a reputation for being nasty, which should count in his favour. The twins will need a strong camp, or else they will be scratched due to not being good enough two-way players.
I'll give the U.S. a shot:
Scratches: Blake, Halpern and Smolinski
Do you even watch the Canucks? The twins are great defensive forwards, and now that their offense has arrived, they are awesome two way forwards. They have always been good defensive forwards, i dont know where that comment came from? The only thing they may lack is footspeed, and they make up for it in creativity, positioning, and on-ice vision. I dont see anyway how they will not be on the starting lineup. Pair them with someone like Modin, and that line could be dynamite.
Well, being based in Sweden I admit that I don't watch them much.
Having said that, you should note that I made a prediction of how I thought Sweden would line up, not as to how I would want them to line up. The Sedins would be in my team, but I do think they will have a hard time convincing the coach. And he will presumably want both the third and the fourth line as shutdown lines. The twins are good, I know that, but have they actually at any point been used in a pure shutdown role?
Unless the twins are split, or being used as a pair of wings, Henrik will have to unseat PÃ¥hlsson or JÃ¶nsson as a defensive center - I am pretty certain that they won't crack the top lines. At the moment, my guess would be that he is behind them. PÃ¥hlsson was brilliant at the world championships, and the coach loves JÃ¶nsson. But, as I also indicated, it is tough to predict how the third and fourth line will look at the moment.
The Canucks will never win a Stanley Cup with the Sedins in the lineup, and Sweden will never win the world cup if they make the team.
I have watched them.
once, or twice?
I don't know why you are supporting the Sedins so much.
They are slow, weak, not physical.
Their stats have improved the last few years, but they certainly couldn't get any worse, and their stats are far from stellar.
I suppose they are creative with the puck. That's about all.
For Sweden it is an embarrasement if they can crack their lineup. It just shows they don't have much depth.
I doubt they could make Canada's C team.
I take it you don't approve? Personally, I think it's a well-balanced line-up that will work hard. Works for me.
extra: Kathan, Martinec, Retzer
extra: Renz, Kopitz
By far the best team Germany has had in years, although they will likely struggle (they are definately capable of pulling off an upset or two).
Total players drafted by NHL teams: 12
Players with NHL experience: 9
VÃ¤Ã¤nÃ¤nen-(Karalahti) --> Niinimaa
extras: Berg, Numminen
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