Rumor: Post-season Rumour Talk Part 2

Discussion in 'Montreal Canadiens' started by Le Tricolore, Jun 17, 2019.

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  1. TooLegitToQuit

    TooLegitToQuit Loyal Habs Fan

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    Agreed. Owners are happy with how the CBA has worked out. I think both sides tweak things here and there and come to an agreement. The only way I see a lockout is if the NHLPA ask for push back on a lot of areas.
     
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    You’d rather a has-been that can’t skate and is a walking corpse with all of his injuries?

    Give me the #1 centre.
     
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    No interest in Perry and I'd gladly take Duchene on the team but at 10M+...

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    The other option is to wait for the next UFA class of centres which includes a 32 year old Backstrom (who will probably be re-signed), 37 year old Mikko Koivu, Brayden Schenn and Carl Soderberg.

    Duchene is the one to go for, clearly.
     
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    Again, he's a 60 point guy. He's coming off his best year in five seasons and we had a guy already on the roster who outproduced him. He's not really a number one center. And his best years are behind him.
     
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    Coming off best season, best years are behind him. ok.
     
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    He was in pretty shaky situations before yet still hovered or hit 30 goals 3 times the last 5 seasons (plus one of 23 goals in 68 games).

    The one on our roster that outproduced him can do the same thing on his LW. I want to be able to win faceoffs.

    And if he’s not a 1C, I’d like to see your list of 31 centres better than him. And who of those 31 centres are available.
     
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    Something doesn't add up here. :sarcasm:
     
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    You know what I mean. :)

    Is Domi better? He's going to be less than half of what Duchene costs... aren't we just adding a number two here for ten million dollars?
     
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    I think I'd rather go the trade route and target someone like William Karlsson.

    I don't think paying Duchene what he's going to command is going to be a good idea.
     
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    Domi's gonna be less than 5M?
     
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    If Domi can maintain his play we're in really good shape up the middle here.

    Why not invest the money in wingers and D? I don't get why people think we need to do something at center right now.

    Yep. Domi's cap hit this year is 4.4 mil.
     
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    I'm cool with that.

    #1 priority for me is LD this offseason. If nothing else, they NEED to improve that position.

    Next I'm just looking for top 6 scoring. I feel like Karlsson would fit well with the age group up front, but as long as they bring in some legit top 6 talent I'm happy.

    I may not be super thrilled with paying Duchene the big $$$, but Panarin on the other hand...he'd be an awesome addition. Not getting my hopes up on either to be honest.
     
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    For one year. We all know he's gonna have a big contract if he scores 70+ again. Is that really a good example?
     
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    Sure, if the price is right. But I doubt Vegas gives him away and they certainly won’t be taking contracts back if they trade him. I value Duchene and the ability to keep our young assets over Karlsson. Especially if there’s only a ~$2m per year cap difference between the two. Karlsson wants a big contract himself.
     
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    Prime example of a Habs fan who has settled for mediocrity and can't see an opportunity to do something really good because, well, it would be good.

    You're probably one of guys who said you didnt wanna overpay to trade for OReilly, cuz he was a second line center.

    So you're telling me you don't want a 60pt+ center who hovers near 55% on the dot and isnt a liability defensively? because you have a winger that did well in that position for one season? Makes no sense. We're the Habs, we CAN have both.

    Get Duchene, play him with Domi and Drouin. A real first line.

    PS. You cant come off your best season, and also say your best years are behind you :help:
     
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    Agreed about the defence. No doubt, priority numero uno.

    Regarding Karlsson and Duchene, the better option will likely depend on the numbers and the assets involved.

    If Duchene is sold on Montreal, and signs for 9M, he'd be the better option than giving up a 1st rd pick + decent prospect like Ylonen for Karlsson, who will end up signing his own hefty contract. OTOH, if Duchene's asking for 10+, and Karlsson can be had, along with David Clarkson, for a 2nd + a couple expendable prospects and/or a 3rd liner, then I'd say Karlsson's the much better option.
     
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    Technically speaking, Domi did not outproduce him.
    Domi posted 72 points in 82 games for a 0.86 point per game
    Duchene got 70 points in 73 games for a 0.96 point per game

    Has for goals per game, he was at 0.42 goals per game….good for 15th in the NHL for a center.
    Domi is ranked #29 with 0.34 goals per game.

    Last year, Duchene was almost PPG center, 30 goals scorer, Elite faceoff guy.
    Does he's worth 9.5M-10M? Not by a long shot.
    Does he's worth 7.5M-8M? In today's NHL, yes he is.

    So in the end it's 2M more…..
    We have 11.45M tied to Alzner, Weise, Peca, Thompson, Deslauriers and Mason
     
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    If Hayes is worth 7M, is Duchene not worth 9.5M by a long shot? It might be a bad contract but it seems every UFA is getting the jackpot since the salary cap is on the rise. In today's NHL, I would sign Duchene for 9.5M.
     
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    Paying ten mil for Duchene is the essence of overpaying for mediocrity...
    Did you lobby for him last season? Please find the posts that say that you did. Otherwise this is forecasting in hindsight and a 'told ya so' from somebody who never did.

    While you're at it, please pull up the posts where you predicted a Blues cup win when they were last in the league in January.
    Paying this guy ten mil is what doesn't make sense. Not nearly worth it.
    We already have guys who produce at a similar rate with good two way play for half the cost.

    The delta here is five million more than what Domi will make this year. Domi outproduced Duchene last year with good two way play. Are you arguing that Duchene's faceoff ability is worth the five mil delta?
    Of course you can.

    His next eight won't be as good as his past eight.
     
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    This is just ridicoulous. I'm out.
     
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    Technically he did actually. He produced two more points.

    If you want to factor in per game performance that's cool. But you could also factor in salary per point as well. Depends on how you look at things.
     
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    I agree.
    It might just be the new reality and we're not used to it.

    I don't think Hayes is worth 7M or that Skinner is a 9M player either…..for me Duchene should be paid around 8.5M at best but things seems change every year and contract goes higher. Hey, Wilson is being paid 5.16M.
     
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    Another thing to consider, you sign Duchene and move Domi to the wing - you now have an abundance of good wingers. You can trade one to get help on LD. If you trade a winger on the team without replacing him, you’re creating a hole to fix another one and you will not be ahead.

    I mean when the Habs were fighting for the playoffs they were playing Domi with Lehkonen and Shaw. That’s pathetic for your top offensive threat.
     
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    This will be my last comment on this subject, but what about you look at Domi's production before he got his 4.4M/yr contract and compare it to Duchene's production. It's not rocket science, really.
     
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