Possible solution to the playoff cap circumvention

[DistantThunderRep]

Also the NHLPA and the league and the 32 owners do not give a rip what we think, they only care what the NHLPA (as a whole) and the fellow owners think of it.

Exactly. This "problem" is only a fan issue. Just like taxes.

 

[Ducks in a row]

good luck getting the union to agree to that or any owner wanting to introduce to that. So you rather have 12 to 14 players in the playoffs and can't call anyone up cause of the cap. There is a reason why there is no cap in the playoffs. It'll allow teams to call up players as necessary and not have to worry about restrictions.

How will you have just 12 to 14 players for the playoffs if the cap is the same? That just makes no sense whatsoever what you said.

 

[SladeWilson23]

So there's still a loophole.

I liked the idea about a maximum threshold of the cap a team can go over entering the playoffs.

It's not really a loophole because in order to activate Kucherov for the final game, they'd have to get cap compliant.

 

[SladeWilson23]

Yeah that's what it comes down to. Fans who are mad about Tampa's superteam that they built organically would rather have no NHL season at all. Basically a "take my ball and go home" mentality.

Tampa should be applauded for building a team so good that it can be without arguably their best player for an entire season and still be an elite team in the league.

That being said, there's something fundamentally wrong with being allowed to just add an elite player like that for the playoffs out of nowhere.

 

[WarriorofTime]

Tampa should be applauded for building a team so good that it can be without arguably their best player for an entire season and still be an elite team in the league.

That being said, there's something fundamentally wrong with being allowed to just add an elite player like that for the playoffs out of nowhere.

Out of nowhere? He's been on their team for a while.

 

[SladeWilson23]

Out of nowhere? He's been on their team for a while.

[mod] You know what I mean.

 

[SladeWilson23]

I don’t think there’s really an issue here. Tampa Bay has a deeper than normal playoff roster due to a lack of cap in the playoffs etc. But how many teams would actually be able to withstand the loss of a Kucherov and still make the playoffs? Or be able to find $9 million in replacement talent in a pinch?

If it’s a lucky break that’s fine with me. If it’s a 4D chess circumvention of the cap, now the other 31 teams have the same road map. Have at her.

This isn't the point.

 

[Seattle Totems]

LTIR contracts should count against the cap unless the team elects to suspend the player's season and playoffs.

 

[WarriorofTime]

[mod] You know what I mean.

I mean I think having a star player injured and still making the postseason is commendable, you made it sound as though he was some ringer they pulled in for the playoffs like a beer league team that grabs a guy who played Major Juniors at the end to win the championship.

 

[SladeWilson23]

There’s no “spirit” to the CBA. It’s a document concocted by lawyers and accountants to generate cost certainty and profit for owners while sold to the paying audience as level playing field and has arguably made the excel spreadsheet center of focus ahead of the true purpose of the game, which is to construct great teams like Tampa and have high level hockey.

From an equity point of view, teams will look for competitive advantages. But I think the league needs to move to a luxury tax system where those Tampa overages are taxed and given back to more budget clubs so their product gets better.

The spirit of the CBA doesn't exist? Then why did the Devils get punished?

 

[SladeWilson23]

I mean I think having a star player injured and still making the postseason is commendable, you made it sound as though he was some ringer they pulled in for the playoffs like a beer league team that grabs a guy who played Major Juniors at the end to win the championship.

I already mentioned that what Tampa built is commendable. That's completely not the point.

 

[gstommylee]

How will you have just 12 to 14 players for the playoffs if the cap is the same? That just makes no sense whatsoever what you said.

injuries.

 

[WarriorofTime]

The spirit of the CBA doesn't exist? Then why did the Devils get punished?

Messing up cost certainty for other teams

 

[SladeWilson23]

If they didn't rectify it after Kane came back for the Hawks' Stanley Cup win in 2015 what makes people think they want to 'fix' anything?

Kane played 61 games. Kucherov played zero.

 

[WarriorofTime]

Kane played 61 games. Kucherov played zero.

but the "spirit"

 

[gstommylee]

LTIR contracts should count against the cap unless the team elects to suspend the player's season and playoffs.

Good lucky getting anyone to agree to that idea. You can have a team with 5-6 on LTIR and pretty much be screwed since you cant bring anyone up cause of the cap if LTIR still counted against the cap.

 

[gstommylee]

Kane played 61 games. Kucherov played zero.

SO kucherov should be barred from the playoffs cause he had hip surgery and didn't play a game this season. The union will be all over that one quickly.

 

[Stephen]

The spirit of the CBA doesn't exist? Then why did the Devils get punished?

They got to keep their first round pick in the end.

 

[member 96824]

good luck getting the union to agree to that or any owner wanting to introduce to that. So you rather have 12 to 14 players in the playoffs and can't call anyone up cause of the cap. There is a reason why there is no cap in the playoffs. It'll allow teams to call up players as necessary and not have to worry about restrictions.

That and it would be a nightmare to execute on.

Cap is a daily calculation. You extend into playoffs and you either have A. All teams operating on different calculations (i.e. team who misses playoffs operates on 185 days. Team who loses in the 1st round 195, team in the stanley cup 245?) or B. Daily is extended out to as long as possible and half the league is operating under a cap that's irrelevant to them because they're playing 185 days but operating with a 245 day cap?

and for what? To make sure we're taking money away from the players and putting it in the owners pocket by enforcing a harder cap?

 

[ijuka]

The solution is simple: Just enforce it during playoffs.

Don't need any fancy solutions at all.

 

[SladeWilson23]

SO kucherov should be barred from the playoffs cause he had hip surgery and didn't play a game this season. The union will be all over that one quickly.

Correct. No regular season games should mean no playoffs. Let the Union fight it.

 

[gstommylee]

The solution is simple: Just enforce it during playoffs.

Don't need any fancy solutions at all.

Which completely ignores all the problems with of why having a cap in the playoffs is a bad idea.

 

[SladeWilson23]

They got to keep their first round pick in the end.

No they didn't.

 

[Ducks in a row]

injuries.

That isn't a problem during regular season so it shouldn't be for playoffs either.

 

[gstommylee]

Correct. No regular season games should mean no playoffs. Let the Union fight it.

You can't deny the that is healthy the ability to play, you either wavie/AHL or play him in the playoffs. You can't bar someone cause of an injury that made him miss games. The league would lose that one in a heart beat.