Speculation: Possible CAP Dump trades

[The Zetterberg Era]

I'll take Trouba for the Rangers' 2020 first round pick.

I am not that in to Braden Schneider...

 

[RedMenace]

I'm telling you, Stamkos coming back to Stevie makes a lot of sense, especially if Nielsen goes back the other way.

 

[The Zermanator]

I'm telling you, Stamkos coming back to Stevie makes a lot of sense, especially if Nielsen goes back the other way.

Why on earth would Tampa want to downgrade from Stamkos to Nielsen to save ~3M in cap space?

 

[Winger98]

Assuming Dobson and Wahlstrom are still off limits, I'd need a 1st rounder to consider that.

If Dobson isn't included, I think I'd rather see the Wings go after Vatanen/Ceci/Hamonic. Next season is clearly going to be awful anyway, adding a pick that will likely be in the latter third of the first round...eh. Or another deal elsewhere. Or I stand by my idea of making a deal to bring in Pulock. Hey, it'd solve NYI's cap issues with re-signing Barzal.

 

[RedMenace]

Why on earth would Tampa want to downgrade from Stamkos to Nielsen to save ~3M in cap space?

Because it saves $3m immediately, then $8.5m for the remaining 2 years of SS's contract of which they've just rid themselves. It also gives them someone for the expansion draft if they don't buy Nielsen out for even more more immediate savings.

Besides, it's not a "downgrade" if he's not playing C anyway, it's simply a cap clearing move. Nielsen can play somewhere else in the lineup if they want to keep him.

Before people get up in arms, start piling on, and using indirect insults, calm the f*** down. I'm not saying this will or even should happen; it's just spitballing.

 

[Ghost of Ethan Hunt]

Because it saves $3m immediately, then $8.5m for the remaining 2 years of SS's contract of which they've just rid themselves. It also gives them someone for the expansion draft if they don't buy Nielsen out for even more more immediate savings.

Besides, it's not a "downgrade" if he's not playing C anyway, it's simply a cap clearing move. Nielsen can play somewhere else in the lineup if they want to keep him.

Before people get up in arms, start piling on, and using indirect insults, calm the f*** down. I'm not saying this will or even should happen; it's just spitballing.

I've never been a fan of Stamkos (just a vibe), oft-injured usually at crucial times, not a C anymore, $8.5 cap/salary in a flat cap/economy etc....but I could go for this if we don't plan on buying out Frans, which I think happens next season though.

Props on the Disclaimer, I need to remember to use one more often.

 

[Ghost of Ethan Hunt]

Taken from the FA Frenzy board/L.Eriksson cap dump thread...

 

[Gniwder]

Taken from the FA Frenzy board/L.Eriksson cap dump thread...

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It only saves $500k in real cash because both teams have already paid the signing bonus for this season. Even if both players were bought out after the trade, the Wings still only save $500k more. But it's still a save, so I think the Wings take the trade only if they decide to buy out Nielsen, because buying out LE is cheaper.

Otherwise I don't see it happening, Vancouver can sell a different player to fall within the cap. They won't get desperate enough to throw in a 1st for a cap dump.

 

[Ghost of Ethan Hunt]

It only saves $500k in real cash because both teams have already paid the signing bonus for this season. Even if both players were bought out after the trade, the Wings still only save $500k more. But it's still a save, so I think the Wings take the trade only if they decide to buy out Nielsen, because buying out LE is cheaper.

Otherwise I don't see it happening, Vancouver can sell a different player to fall within the cap. They won't get desperate enough to throw in a 1st for a cap dump.

Not every capdump has to have a 1st with it, certainly not in this case. It could be a 2nd or 3rd+ prospect, for example. Small wins add up too.

 

[Gniwder]

Not every capdump has to have a 1st with it, certainly not in this case. It could be a 2nd or 3rd+ prospect, for example. Small wins add up too.

I don't see why Vancouver has to add anything if Nielsen goes the other way. Seems like a fair trade if the Wings decide to buy Nielsen out, trade for LE whose buyout costs less. I don't see a trade unless there is going to be a buyout, Nielsen is a center that PK. Probably gonna wind up on LTIR anyways.

 

[BinCookin]

Here is a rather Elaborate trade proposal:

Part 1:

TB trades Johnson + 1st + 2nd to Det for "future considerations"

Part 2:

Det trades Johnson + 3rd round pick (Vegas's old pick) to Vegas
For MAF (no retention)

Part 3:
Det trades MAF (50% Retention - 3.5M) to Chicago for a 1st and 2nd round pick


What each team gets:
Detroit Obviously lots of picks.
Vegas Gets a 2C back so Glass is 3rd line C, and dumps fleury's full deal.
Chicago gets a cheap/quality Goalie or 2 years.
TB buys cap space to sign RFA's

If Johnson doesn't sound like a worthwhile player for Vegas, Does Gourde make it work??

 

[Ghost of Ethan Hunt]

I don't see why Vancouver has to add anything if Nielsen goes the other way. Seems like a fair trade if the Wings decide to buy Nielsen out, trade for LE whose buyout costs less. I don't see a trade unless there is going to be a buyout, Nielsen is a center that PK. Probably gonna wind up on LTIR anyways.

B/C we have the leverage...we don't "need" to do any of it. VAN "needs" to dump

 

[Tatar Shots]

Here is a rather Elaborate trade proposal:

Part 1:

TB trades Johnson + 1st + 2nd to Det for "future considerations"

Part 2:

Det trades Johnson + 3rd round pick (Vegas's old pick) to Vegas
For MAF (no retention)

Part 3:
Det trades MAF (50% Retention - 3.5M) to Chicago for a 1st and 2nd round pick


What each team gets:
Detroit Obviously lots of picks.
Vegas Gets a 2C back so Glass is 3rd line C, and dumps fleury's full deal.
Chicago gets a cheap/quality Goalie or 2 years.
TB buys cap space to sign RFA's

If Johnson doesn't sound like a worthwhile player for Vegas, Does Gourde make it work??

Chicago gets absolutely bent. I also wouldn’t take on Johnson for a 1st and 2nd

 

[BinCookin]

Chicago gets absolutely bent. I also wouldn’t take on Johnson for a 1st and 2nd

Well what is a realistic return from Chicago, 2nd round pick + prospect?

Also we flip Johnson, so we don't take him really.

 

[Tatar Shots]

Well what is a realistic return from Chicago, 2nd round pick + prospect?

Also we flip Johnson, so we don't take him really.

If Chicago wants MAF, why wouldn’t Vegas just retain and trade him there instead of taking on Johnson? And yeah, I doubt you’d do better than a 2nd round pick for Fleury retained

 

[Ghost of Ethan Hunt]

If Chicago wants MAF, why wouldn’t Vegas just retain and trade him there instead of taking on Johnson? And yeah, I doubt you’d do better than a 2nd round pick for Fleury retained

TJ to VGK makes sense after dumping Stastny...Glass has a lot of pressure to be 2C out of the gate, this eases that. SC winner etc.

Also, (2) 2nds for a retained MAF is reasonable. ($3.5m X 2yrs). Staal is less $alary, but bigger cap & got us a much better 2nd.

 

[Tatar Shots]

TJ to VGK makes sense after dumping Stastny...Glass has a lot of pressure to be 2C out of the gate, this eases that. SC winner etc.

Also, (2) 2nds for a retained MAF is reasonable. ($3.5m X 2yrs). Staal is less $alary, but bigger cap & got us a much better 2nd.

That wouldn’t apply to Fleury. Why would Chicago care how much Detroit is retaining? Fleury has negative value at 7 million.

 

[Ghost of Ethan Hunt]

That wouldn’t apply to Fleury. Why would Chicago care how much Detroit is retaining? Fleury has negative value at 7 million.

I'm aware of the negative value of MAF @ $7, but if CHI wants him @ $3.5 with us doing the retaining, we're not gaining much if all we get is a 2nd from CHI while simultaneously losing a 3rd to facilitate the deal. So we jump ~40 spots (1 rd.) for retaining $3.5m for 2 yrs, that's insane.

 

[Tatar Shots]

I'm aware of the negative value of MAF @ $7, but if CHI wants him @ $3.5 with us doing the retaining, we're not gaining much if all we get is a 2nd from CHI while simultaneously losing a 3rd to facilitate the deal. So we jump ~40 spots (1 rd.) for retaining $3.5m for 2 yrs, that's insane.

And again, Chicago doesn’t care. There were rumors that teams wanted picks from Vegas in addition to MAF being retained 50%. Why would a team who is maybe 50/50 on making the playoffs next year spend significant assets to bring in a goalie in the offseason?

 

[Ghost of Ethan Hunt]

And again, Chicago doesn’t care. There were rumors that teams wanted picks from Vegas in addition to MAF being retained 50%. Why would a team who is maybe 50/50 on making the playoffs next year spend significant assets to bring in a goalie in the offseason?

Then we don't trade for MAF, simple really. We'll just get some picks & prospect(s) from TBL for TJ...JBB has gotta be sweating bullets by now (now that the Cup hangover has likely worn off)

 

[Gniwder]

B/C we have the leverage...we don't "need" to do any of it. VAN "needs" to dump

IF Stevie plans to buy out Nielsen, it saves Chris $500k. We all know he's pinching pennies, so he'd do it without any picks.

IF they don't plan on buying out Nielsen, I don't see a deal.

I really don't see the Wings taking on any cap dump. Doesn't seem to be prudent business to pinch pennies on actual roster players then spend millions on a second rounder when second rounders are hit or miss.

If there's a deal, it has to be a minimum of a first rounder, and I don't see any teams throwing out a first to dump salary. So basically, no deals will happen, at least with the Wings. Sure, you can mention Staal, but Stevie actually plans on playing him, so it's not a pure dump.

 

[Oddbob]

I'm aware of the negative value of MAF @ $7, but if CHI wants him @ $3.5 with us doing the retaining, we're not gaining much if all we get is a 2nd from CHI while simultaneously losing a 3rd to facilitate the deal. So we jump ~40 spots (1 rd.) for retaining $3.5m for 2 yrs, that's insane.

To me it sounds like Chicago is going for the tank. Subban as anything on your team is terrible, and it gets worse after him. May as well sign Jimmy Howard.