Poll of the Day: Why Do We Suck?

Discussion in 'Arizona Coyotes' started by MIG, Dec 19, 2018.

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What are the major reasons this season has gone off the rails?

  1. GM failed to assemble playoff team

    23.2%
  2. Coaching failed to deliver results

    29.5%
  3. Players underperforming

    41.1%
  4. Too many key injuries

    53.6%
  5. Failure to draft well

    42.0%
  6. Coyote curse

    31.3%
  7. Fans not cheering loud enough

    2.7%
  8. Tyson Nash

    17.0%
  9. Insufficient team budget (player salary, coaching, scouting, etc)

    52.7%
  10. We can't have nice things

    9.8%
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  1. Ultra Mega Chychrun

    Ultra Mega Chychrun Arise Chychrun!

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    I think Earn's in Atlanta applies to the coyotes.

    “I just keep losing. I mean, some people just...are supposed to lose? For balance in the universe? I mean, like, are there just some people on earth who...are supposed to be here just to make it easier for the winners?”

    Swap out people for teams and I for the coyotes and we're there.
     
  2. ducky

    ducky Registered User

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    For sure that is a big part of it. So many fails.

    I dont recall the details but there were a few years where the team relied on Central Scouting only as they had no $ for a scouting staff. Lack of money is a big deal. Players look to move sooner than they may otherwise (Turris, Wheeler) because they know the team cant afford to improve the roster. Had to trade Yandle because they had no money.

    Some really terrible trades hurt. Briere for Gratton for example.

    They have had bad luck, too. Losing lotteries several times. Missing out on franchise players 2 years in a row. Mueller and Kylanos injuries robbing them of what looked liked very promising careers.

    Sigh.
     
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    varano Registered User

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    Is this actually true?
     
  4. CNYCrunchfan1

    CNYCrunchfan1 Registered User

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    I would have agreed with this about 10 years ago but since then my two other sports teams, New Orleans Saints and Houston Astros who were regular losers for years since I was a kid both won the big one. We have just had bad ownership and no money for years.
     
  5. ducky

    ducky Registered User

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    I dont know the details (Cant find the reference in a quick search). Certainly they had a "skeleton crew". When Chayka was signed they ADDED a WHL scout, Minnesota scout, Russia scout and European director of player development. They did not have anyone in those positions previous.
     
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    hbk Registered User Sponsor

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    Yes. It started in Winnipeg or what I like to call the Dorian Anneck years.
     
  7. Bonsai Tree

    Bonsai Tree Turning a new leaf

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    We're not that far away. One good rebuild. That's all it takes. That, and money to pay the better players. Chayka, and Maloney before him, couldn't improve the team in the offseason for lack of money to pay the better players.
     
  8. Summer Rose

    Summer Rose Red Like Roses Sponsor

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    My gut feeling (based on no tangible sources so you can feel free to not read the rest of my post) is that Arizona is a popular landing spot for free agents on principle. This is also not exclusive to the Coyotes and certainly applies to the Suns, Cardinals, and Diamondbacks. It worked once for the Diamondbacks, but since Arizona sports teams have a long history of having owners who are either cheap or broke (or both, I'm looking at you Robert Sarver), we simply can't afford to pay them fair market value. John Tavares signed his big contract with the Leafs but I'd be willing to bet that he'd have considered us if we were capable of matching the terms of the contract Toronto offered him (but we weren't so it's a moot point).

    Semi-sarcastic jab at our inability to pay for talent that's necessary to turn this team around that I spouted to a friend earlier tonight during our game: "Let's be real guys. If we had won that draft lottery and drafted McDavid, we'd have traded him by now because we couldn't afford to sign him to 8 years/$12.5m AAV."

    We've had probably more than our fair share of bad luck as a franchise, but our consistent problems start and end with basically having no money. If not for the cap floor, we'd be pathetic, and even then we've found "creative" ways to reach the cap floor without actually paying out that many dollars on at least a few occasions.
     
  9. varano

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    Wow that's wild.
     
  10. Jamieh

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    No way a Tavares type is picking AZ at this time.
     
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  11. Jakey53

    Jakey53 Registered User

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    Ok, so who would have you signed this last off season as a UFA?
     
  12. Jakey53

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    We have many good pieces, just have to keep the course., and we don't have much to trade to start a rebuild.I believe we have to start to rid of some of the vets that came here to lead but haven't. Stepan and Gogo are probably the only ones we can trade to get back anything of value. I hear Buffalo is looking for a center with experience, maybe a Stepan for a Mittelstadt.:)
     
  13. Jamieh

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    Tavares , Stastny, and Lehner
     
  14. GiveAFlyingPuck

    GiveAFlyingPuck I sure as poop want to win.

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    So many teams already have a 20+ goal scorer. Wouldn't that be nice to have? Our lack of offense is killing us.

    Last season after 40 games: 92 goals for, 141 goals against.
    This season after 40 games: 101 goals for, 115 goals against.

    The defense has significantly improved while the offense has seen a marginal improvement. We're 13th in the league in goals against and 29th in goals for.

    16 games scoring 1 or 0 goals. That's 40% of the games played.
     
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    Brutal. No excuse, really
     
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  16. Jakey53

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    JT would have been a pipe dream, and while Lehner would have been nice, I think we already had our tandem set. I liked Stastny, but given his age and salary demands I think I would have maybe passed.
     
  17. Jamieh

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    I was really joking but if we had a top end center or two the rest of the roster just fits so much better.
     
  18. Jakey53

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    Sounds easy. Let's do it.:nod:
     
  19. Jamieh

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    It definitely isn't easy but It's probably easier tgan winning in the NHL without one guaranteed first line forward. I've said it before and I'll say it again, Tampa is set up poorly to afford Point. Point is a legit number 1 center. Open the purse strings and offer sheet him large. He is not their premier piece so they can't afford to match. The team is infinitely better instantly if you get him. Short of that put the word out to agents of guys like Duchene that we are interested. Pay too much to get a legit center as you just can't win without one.
     
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  20. SniperHF

    SniperHF You might surprise yourself

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    That marginal improvement is so marginal it's basically not worth mentioning. We went from 30th ranked to 29th ranked :laugh:
     
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    Point's not going anywhere, and nobody uses a offer sheet anyways. Duchene could be any interesting player to look at.
     
  22. Jamieh

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    There will be an offer sheet next July.
     
  23. Jakey53

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    I doubt it, and if there is, it won't be from us.
     
  24. Lawson of Anarchy

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    I mentioned I liked Point since WJC a few years ago. He is quietly burning it up. How much do you think he signs for after ELC?
     
  25. Jamieh

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    I could not guess?? He might be willing to give Tampa a discount to keep the gang together if they win?? They have the tax and sun and beach advantage. BUT it might be very hard for him to ignore a serious pay offer and very difficult for Tampa to match. I think he is a legit number 1.
     

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