Please Kyle, just a few tweaks

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  1. Brownbeard

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    Yep
     
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    Yes
    meh
    Yes
     
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    Some of the replies in this thread idiotic.
    Thank God it's the weekend.
     
  4. stuart5035

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    I looked at the minutes each of these players played in their most recent game. ​
     
  5. Leafidelity

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    I couldn't disagree more about the muscle.

    The minute you start trying to emulate other teams strengths you weaken yours and become a janky version of theirs.
     
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    good luck trying to get them to use common sense lol

    • hfboard guy ~ Hyman shouldn't be in the top 6
    • Me~ why is that?
    • hfboard guy ~ just because
    • Me~ good answer
    • hfboard guy ~ youre just a Babcock fanboy
    • Me ~ right :thumbu:
     
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    Agreed but hockey is a game of intimidation to some degree. It always has been and always will unless they take hitting out and then I am done with the game myself. But as long as there is a physical element to the game smaller softer players can get outgunned when the whistle goes away in the playoffs.
     
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    Stacking the PP makes loads of sense IMO except...

    I believe the Leafs are intentionally holding back Matthews' and Marner's minutes until they're signed long term. They'll only cost more with the extra opportunity.
     
  9. Loosie

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    Interesting what happens when you take the whole season instead of one game. It's quite possible there were more PP opportunities that led to them have 20+ minutes. During the average though our star players are right there with those that are considered stars on the 'Best Teams'
     
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    And if we did want to emulate a team, you'd think it would be the only team that's currently better than the leafs. Except Tampa is smaller and more skilled, so they don't count
     
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    kyle needs to sign every guy below, seriously hes an idiot if he doesn't

    Point 18:29
    Kucherov 19:06
    Ovechkin 21:09
    Kuznetsov 18:43
    Bergeron 18:51
    Marchand 19:50
    Pasternak 19:11
    Crosby 20:33
     
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    He's dumb as a rock. No hockey IQ at all.
     
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    Where do you see these numbers? I didn’t even go to more extreme examples like Barkov?
     
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    I checked out the math and this is sound sports science here folks
     
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    MarnerPeachFuzz Go Leafs Go

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    The third will seal the deal for sure.
     
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    Let's see if Dubas can do for the Leafs what he did with the Marlies, bring in the right amount of sandpaper to complement out skill.
     
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    You make a good point.
    Maybe their “twin towers” on defense is the difference (Coburn 6ft 5in and Hedman 6ft 6in)
     
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    You make a trade with a goal to get size, you lose because you sacrifice speed and skill.

    You draft for size, you lose because you leave speed and skill on the table.

    Take the most speed and skill available and if they happen to have size too that’s great.

    If other teams are sacrificing speed and skill for size, I call that a market inefficiency and hope we take advantage.
     
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    I disagree, played the game enough to know that everyone plays better when they know their is accountability backing them up. Like Marchand, he knows he’s got Chara, Mcqaid, Miller , Backes and so on. When that muscle is coming at you, you back off (one of the TSN commentators made the remark that when he sat in the stands near the Leafs bench in the third period of game 7 against the Bruins last year, the Leaf youngsters looked terrified. These are boys against men). I do believe that a couple of Ryan Reeve types is what we need. In the Nashville game, after Watson demolished Johnsson; one of the commentators remarked that with the fact there was no retaliation, it told Nashville that it was “open season” on the Leafs.
     
  20. Loosie

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    NHL.com.

    NHL.com - Stats

    There is a TOI/GP column

    Also I would not use Florida as a good example of what to do.
     
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    Disagree on playing the first unit the entire PP, and on playing our top forwards 21+ mpg. But I do agree we need more toughness for the playoffs. It seems pretty likely we’ll play the Bruins in the 1st round, and with current rosters I’d give the Bruins about a 90% chance of winning the series. The physicality and intensity will ramp up in the playoffs, and our team is quite soft, I see us getting physically and mentally dominated by the Bruins, and losing the series, unless we make some changes.
     
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    So bring back Martin, Polak and Orr... that will work out well.
     
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    I think what he means is the team is not built for the playoffs. I have been saying that on another site and get bashed for it. Management hasn't done a thing to strengthen the defense and toughness on this team which it severely lacks. Fine and dandy in the regular season but too many soft players on this team lacking grit and sacrifice to go deep into the playoffs. Tavares signing was great. Nylander signing like the kid but overpaid and far as I'm concerned not a team player, but still some intangibles missing. I think Dubas will address it but if they don't I have concerns it's going to be another early exit.
     
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    The Leafs need a puck mover on the right side more than a gritty guy.

    Zaitsev’s best attribute is probably disrupting the cycle in the zone
     
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    I’ve been relaxing for fifty years, lol!
    Now I’m passionate because the raw material is there, with a few adjustments imo
     
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