Which game is overall more popular in Slovakia or Czech republic? Hockey or football (yeah lets call it what it is) ?
Pretty sure the Czechs just won the World Championship... how is hockey falling off the map there?
Junior hockey has no impact on the regular hockey world. Everyone knows only Canada cares about junior hockey. And the U.S. is good because they have such a large population and a ton of money.
Yes it does. Where do you think future stars come from?
Slovak problem is sometimes exaggerated by Slovaks. Slovakia has never been great at WJHC or U18 champs. For example, look at 2000 WJC roster - there were some interesting name - and now look at our position at that WJC - we finished at 9th place and almost we relegated to B division after loss to Ukraine in Game 1 of relegation series
However, Slovak hockey is in the crisis. No doubt. I'm sure the era of Bondra, Šatan, Pálffy, Švehla will never repeat - I think that was a really big coincidence because is almost impossible that players like these have met in one era, Slovakia has never had talents like these - it was golden age of our hockey. Potencial of Slovak hockey is bigger, but there are some problems like:
1) Impact of Mečiar's goverment - Have you ever heard about VladimÃr Mečiar? I'm sure you have. His goverment (during 1994-98) nowadays still has big impact on our country. Big inflation, huge taxes, Mafia at police, murders are typical for his era - players who are playing now in our U20 team started with hockey in 1997/8/9 - during Mečiar's goverment and first years after it. During these years parents couldn't spend much money on son's equipment - in short, it was expensive for them.
2) Weak competition - I've read on Martin ReWay's status on Facebook that he can't understand children in Canada go to the practice rink during the Friday night instead of go to the city. Well, easy explanation - competition. He is one of the most talented player in Slovakia (better than Koyš I think), and he doesn't have any competition. He knows that he doesn't have to train hard because he doesn't have any competition and he still will be invited to national team.
3) Corruption - No comment.
Honestly, you would have a hard time finding more than two or three Czech star players who were touted as future stars when in their teens.
Anyway, the OP says not to mention soccer, but asides from soccer I could name at least 5 other team sports that have a player base at least as big or bigger as hockey here- I´d say all of handball, basketball,volleyball, ball hockey as some of the examples- and all of them have one thing in common- they are easier accessible and cheaper than hockey. And that´s just the team sports, not talking about the likes of indivudal sports.
The number of kids born yearly is only around 50.000 and you have to consider that a big part of them is not even talented for sports/interested in them and all the different sports have to compete real hard to get the kids for their sport. Plus combine this with the lack of a good hockey infrartucture and you get where we are- like 8000-9000 hockey players all in all. It´s the price you pay for trying to compete a big variety of sport despite a small population.
Switzerland, Denmark, Germany are coming and challenging Finland
Look at Slovenia. 50 per cent of population of Slovakia and they are on the higher level at handball, same level at volleyball, maybe also at football, lower level at ice hockey and same level at inline hockey (maybe higher). I don't know where they are at ball hockey. Anyway, it is pretty tied and if you compare the population...
There is also one and maybe the biggest problem. If you are an athlete in Slovakia, you have to be dumb. And if I said dumb, I mean really dumb. Exceptions prove the rule. Education system for our young athletes doesn't exist. And then it is common that half of our U16 team are failing in school. In one magazine I read that this is impossible in Sweden. If you are failing in school, you can't be invited to national team. Don't know it is true, but I'm sure this could help us. But maybe then we wouldn't build our junior teams . Nevermind, it would be a great motivation for guys. Or am I just naive?
We certainly had a couple of first rounders in the past 5 years that were projected to have a solid career. Some are doing OK (FrolÃk, Voráček, Hanzal), some are slowly going up (Kindl in Detroit) and some are struggling (Tlusty).
do you think that they would be able to fare as bad as we with the whole Ondrej Nepela rink fiasco? Even they could probably build at least 3 good rinks for that money used on that tunnel.
Well I'm going to sound like a big homer here but I would have Canada clear cut 1. I know the US is closing the gap and all but let's get real. Canada is still producing higher end talent. It's just my opinion, don't get me wrong it's great for the game if they are equal and we really need a superstar American born kid to emerge. Some are close (Kane, Parise, Ryan), but nobody on the level of an Ovechkin or Stamkos (of course nobody is close to Sid right now).
Yes, but let's consider players like Eliáš (drafted as the 51st overall), Havlát (28th overall), T. Kaberle (204th overall), Hejduk (87th overall), Krejčà (63rd overall), Pavelec (41st overall), Z. Michálek (undrafted), Vokoun (226th overall), Neuvirth (34th overall), Kubina (179th overall) and the list goes on and on. It indicates that these players were able to make a more substantial progress during their early to mid-20's than the absolute majority of the players drafted before them. With their actual careers in mind, all of these Czech stars would be re-drafted in the Top 10 (with the exception of Michálek perhaps).
On the other hand, many of our draft stars failed to deliver. Å tefan (1st overall) and Brendl (4th overall) were huge busts. Olesz (7th overall) has been disappointing so far. And how about Petr TatÃček (9th overall)?
It seems to me that since Czech players tend to be late-bloomers, the draft positions and more generally the performance displayed on junior levels is not necessarily the smartest and the ultimate way to evaluate the strength of the Czech youth hockey or even the future of the Czech hockey itself, though I won't disagree that recent failures in the international tournaments & lackluster NHL drafts are worrying.
Same can be said for Finland. Finland is past it's prime. Selanne, Koivu all retiring soon and no new upcoming players. There are only few hopes Grandlund, Armia and Vatanen, but still that's way too thin, if you compare to hockey's biggest, Canada and USA for prospects. We need more supertalent! I don't know what went wrong in last 5-10 years in Finland, but I hope they figure it out ASAP, because otherwise Finland won't be top hockey country anymore. Switzerland, Denmark, Germany are coming and challenging Finland, like last year Denmark won for the first time Finland in hockey. It was like changing a page for history. Finland's time as top hockey country is soon over, or it's over already.
So it's not only Slovakia and Czech who's going down.. Also Finland. That's a shame.
I disagree with this, Finland is currently producing talent and is building a team that can contend in the future. We did have a major drought between the 2006-2009 drafts that saw very little top end talent coming up the ranks, but are now back on track with several players of note. We have also developed many goaltending prospects in the past while which cannot be said for Cze/Svk.
Anyways, I don't want to hijack this thread with a discussion about Finnish hockey, but I see us headed in the right direction going toward the future.
This. I wanted to show you that the population is not important or better said is not so important as wealth of country. Slovenia is post-communist country, too (Yes, it was a different communist regime, but it was still communism). So I think it's good comparing. They were on the same starting line as Slovakia in beginning of 90's (+ don't forget to war, but yes, they weren't significantly affected by war). However nowadays, you know...Yeah, well, I guess the Slovenes are just more talented then? I´m not sure that anyone in Slovenia plays ball hockey. Also I wouldn´t say that they are currently much better at handball, we made it to the WC in Croatia through them. Anyway, it doesn´t make much sense comparing. But Slovenia has one edge over us- they are wealthier and I´d say at least a slight bit less corrupted- do you think that they would be able to fare as bad as we with the whole Ondrej Nepela rink fiasco? Even they could probably build at least 3 good rinks for that money used on that tunnel.
You mentioned just individual sports. I have to say one Slovak proverb - If you want to live with wolves you have to howl with them. In collective are many stupid children. Yes, there are some wise but as the proverb says, evil always wins . Martikán and Velits are individual athletes. There are not in collective, they can do whatever they want, they don't need to look "cool" in front of their teammates. And this is highly related to education...But, one more thing to what you said about Reway´s remark and the lack of competition- still there are sports where there is even a bigger lack of competition than in hockey in the country and we still have a lot of individuals in those sports who did sacrifice lots and lots for their sport in order to get where they are today. Or do you think that a guy like Michal Martikán or Peter Velits went out partying every free night like our young hockey players do?
And that is the result of neglected education. He has to know that to be the best in Slovakia is not enough for him! Obviously, he thinks that's enough. I agree with you, but I'm afraid this will never change if we don't build the education system for young athletes.Maye it´s something that guys like Reway should consider and now that he is at the U17 WHC in Canada watching the Canadian/US teams and how good the players there are he could realize that hockey is a globalized sports and there is no lack of competition in it worldwide and that he doesn´t only have to compete with his peers back home, but that the kids on the other countries teams are his rivals in making it big in hockey as well. But if he is content with just being better than his weak own teammates that´s his thing, but do you think he will be able to make it big anywhere else than "Fasaliga" with an attitude like that? God knows there are lots of players who once thought that in that crap league.
Economics. I was in Czech about a year and a half ago, and compared to Austria and Germany, Czech is much poorer (overall).
Hockey is an expensive sport.
Another factor that I think is playing a part is that the top Czech hockey players are now either in NA, or Russia. Makes it a harder sell, knowing they're not watching the absolute 'best' players, domestically.