players who dominated the NHL in their early 20's

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  1. puckhead103*

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    i can only name three players who dominated the NHL in their early 20's....

    when the player hits 25 years of age, thats the cut off...

    Gretzky - probably had 500 goals before 25th birthday..(i might be wrong)
    Orr -
    Sawchuk - had 56 shutouts by the age of 25...
     
  2. Le Tricolore

    Le Tricolore Boo! BOOOOO!

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    Soon to be Crosby and Ovechkin.
     
  3. Sens Rule

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    Mario, Coffey, Messier, Bourque, Potvin, Orr, Bobby Hull. That is just a start on those that were truly dominant. There is a long, long list of others who were amazing in their early 20's like Hawercuk, Denis Savard, Steve Yzerman and on and on and on.
     
  4. arrbez

    arrbez bad chi

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    Gretzky notched his 1000th point when he was 23 or 24...:amazed:

    Eric Lindros and Mario Lemieux are also guys who dominated the second the stepped into the league
     
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    Player -- Pos -- Total "HHOF Monitors" Pts (up to 25 years old)
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    Gretzky Wayne -- C -- 4103,5

    Orr Bobby -- D -- 2829,1

    Howe Gordie -- RW -- 1931
    Lemieux Mario -- C -- 1734
    Hull Bobby -- LW -- 1674
    Sawchuk Terry -- G -- 1515,5

    Bossy Mike -- RW -- 1372
    Mikita Stan -- C -- 1323,5
    Trottier Bryan -- C -- 1311
    Jagr Jaromir -- RW -- 1253,5
    Coffey Paul -- D -- 1209,9
    Dye Babe -- RW -- 1137
    Jackson Busher -- LW -- 1073
    Conacher Charlie -- RW -- 1058,5
    Potvin Denis -- D -- 1047,7
    Kennedy Ted -- C -- 1002,5
    Beliveau Jean -- C -- 1001,5

    Thompson Tiny -- G -- 964,5
    Kelly Red -- D -- 950,7
    Geoffrion Bernie -- RW -- 946
    Lindsay Ted -- LW -- 921,5
    Roy Patrick -- G -- 915,5
    Richard Henri -- C -- 907

    Lindros Eric -- C -- 895,5
    Bourque Ray -- D -- 883,4
    Apps C.J. Syl -- C -- 865
    Kurri Jari -- RW -- 857
    Mahovlich Frank -- LW -- 848
    Kariya Paul -- LW -- 823,5
    Drillon Gordie -- RW -- 814
     
  6. VanIslander

    VanIslander Don't waste my time

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    Top-50 all-time guys. The best players show their stuff from the get-go.
     
  7. WADEugottaBELAKthat

    WADEugottaBELAKthat Flynt Flossy

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    Did I mention that..
    I agree. Eric Lindros was amazing when he first started. He was perfect. If my memory serves me correct, he was 4th Alltime in PPG in the NHL after 5 years in the league.

    He did some things that nobody else could.
     
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    "HHOF Monitor" Pts by Age

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    Player Name -- Age -- SEASON -- POS -- TEAM -- "HHOF Monitor" Pts
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    Hillman Larry -- 17 -- 1954-55 -- D -- DET -- 54,4
    Gallinger Don -- 17 -- 1942-43 -- C -- BOS -- 48
    Guidolin Bep -- 17 -- 1942-43 -- RW -- BOS -- 41,5
    Johnstone Ross -- 17 -- 1943-44 -- D -- TOR -- 9,2
    Hamilton Jack -- 17 -- 1942-43 -- C -- TOR -- 7

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    Player Name -- Age -- SEASON -- POS -- TEAM -- "HHOF Monitor" Pts
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    Gretzky Wayne -- 18 -- 1979-80 -- C -- EDM -- 501,5
    Barrasso Tom -- 18 -- 1983-84 -- G -- BUF -- 288
    Lumley Harry -- 18 -- 1944-45 -- G -- DET -- 175,5
    Orr Bobby -- 18 -- 1966-67 -- D -- BOS -- 118,6
    Hawerchuk Dale -- 18 -- 1981-82 -- C -- PHO -- 99
    Crosby Sidney -- 18 -- 2005-06 -- C -- PIT -- 90
    Bodnar Gus -- 18 -- 1943-44 -- C -- TOR -- 89,5
    Jagr Jaromir -- 18 -- 1990-91 -- RW -- PIT -- 88
    Yzerman Steve -- 18 -- 1983-84 -- C -- DET -- 74,5
    Linden Trevor -- 18 -- 1988-89 -- RW -- VAN -- 60,5


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    Player Name -- Age -- SEASON -- POS -- TEAM -- "HHOF Monitor" Pts
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    Gretzky Wayne -- 19 -- 1980-81 -- C -- EDM -- 470,5
    Orr Bobby -- 19 -- 1967-68 -- D -- BOS -- 246,65
    Kennedy Ted -- 19 -- 1944-45 -- C -- TOR -- 213,5
    Fuhr Grant -- 19 -- 1981-82 -- G -- EDM -- 202
    Barrasso Tom -- 19 -- 1984-85 -- G -- BUF -- 200,5
    Bourque Ray -- 19 -- 1979-80 -- D -- BOS -- 154,9
    Nash Rick -- 19 -- 2003-04 -- LW -- CLB -- 139
    Jagr Jaromir -- 19 -- 1991-92 -- RW -- PIT -- 107
    Trottier Bryan -- 19 -- 1975-76 -- C -- NYI -- 104,5
    Lemieux Mario -- 19 -- 1984-85 -- C -- PIT -- 95,5

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    Player Name -- Age -- SEASON -- POS -- TEAM -- "HHOF Monitor" Pts
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    Gretzky Wayne -- 20 -- 1981-82 -- C -- EDM -- 567,5
    Hull Bobby -- 20 -- 1959-60 -- LW -- CHI -- 471
    Jackson Busher -- 20 -- 1931-32 -- LW -- TOR -- 354,5
    Lemieux Mario -- 20 -- 1985-86 -- C -- PIT -- 320,5
    Kovalchuk Ilya -- 20 -- 2003-04 -- LW -- ATL -- 306,5
    Orr Bobby -- 20 -- 1968-69 -- D -- BOS -- 259,6
    Skinner Alf -- 20 -- 1917-18 -- RW -- TOR -- 247,5
    Bossy Mike -- 20 -- 1977-78 -- RW -- NYI -- 231
    Roy Patrick -- 20 -- 1985-86 -- G -- MTL -- 225,5
    Ovechkin Alexander -- 20 -- 2005-06 -- LW -- WAS -- 197,5

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    Player Name -- Age -- SEASON -- POS -- TEAM -- "HHOF Monitor" Pts
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    Orr Bobby -- 21 -- 1969-70 -- D -- BOS -- 734,55
    Gretzky Wayne -- 21 -- 1982-83 -- C -- EDM -- 632,5
    Lindros Eric -- 21 -- 1994-95 -- C -- PHI -- 476,5
    Thompson Tiny -- 21 -- 1928-29 -- G -- BOS -- 460,5
    Trottier Bryan -- 21 -- 1977-78 -- C -- NYI -- 349,5
    Schmidt Milt -- 21 -- 1939-40 -- C -- BOS -- 340
    Sawchuk Terry -- 21 -- 1950-51 -- G -- DET -- 318,5
    Richard Henri -- 21 -- 1957-58 -- C -- MTL -- 299,5
    Jackson Busher -- 21 -- 1932-33 -- LW -- TOR -- 299
    Mikita Stan -- 21 -- 1961-62 -- C -- CHI -- 292

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    Player Name -- Age -- SEASON -- POS -- TEAM -- "HHOF Monitor" Pts
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    Gretzky Wayne -- 22 -- 1983-84 -- C -- EDM -- 656
    Lemieux Mario -- 22 -- 1987-88 -- C -- PIT -- 559
    Orr Bobby -- 22 -- 1970-71 -- D -- BOS -- 528,25
    Sawchuk Terry -- 22 -- 1951-52 -- G -- DET -- 491,5
    Jagr Jaromir -- 22 -- 1994-95 -- RW -- PIT -- 472
    Hextall Ron -- 22 -- 1986-87 -- G -- PHI -- 458,5
    Trottier Bryan -- 22 -- 1978-79 -- C -- NYI -- 454,5
    Dye Babe -- 22 -- 1920-21 -- RW -- TOR -- 431
    Hull Bobby -- 22 -- 1961-62 -- LW -- CHI -- 423,5
    Stewart Gaye -- 22 -- 1945-46 -- LW -- TOR -- 409,5

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    Player Name -- Age -- SEASON -- POS -- TEAM -- "HHOF Monitor" Pts
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    Gretzky Wayne -- 23 -- 1984-85 -- C -- EDM -- 768,5
    Stewart Nels -- 23 -- 1925-26 -- C -- MTM -- 740,5
    Orr Bobby -- 23 -- 1971-72 -- D -- BOS -- 675
    Howe Gordie -- 23 -- 1951-52 -- RW -- DET -- 596,5
    Drillon Gordie -- 23 -- 1937-38 -- RW -- TOR -- 588
    Lemieux Mario -- 23 -- 1988-89 -- C -- PIT -- 545
    Brimsek Frank -- 23 -- 1938-39 -- G -- BOS -- 441,5
    Richard Maurice -- 23 -- 1944-45 -- RW -- MTL -- 427,5
    Geoffrion Bernie -- 23 -- 1954-55 -- RW -- MTL -- 406
    Clarke Bobby -- 23 -- 1972-73 -- C -- PHI -- 368,5

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    Player Name -- Age -- SEASON -- POS -- TEAM -- "HHOF Monitor" Pts
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    Beliveau Jean -- 24 -- 1955-56 -- C -- MTL -- 725
    Howe Gordie -- 24 -- 1952-53 -- RW -- DET -- 559
    Gretzky Wayne -- 24 -- 1985-86 -- C -- EDM -- 507
    Iginla Jarome -- 24 -- 2001-02 -- RW -- CGY -- 486
    Bossy Mike -- 24 -- 1981-82 -- RW -- NYI -- 475
    Liut Mike -- 24 -- 1980-81 -- G -- STL -- 466,5
    Kurri Jari -- 24 -- 1984-85 -- RW -- EDM -- 455,5
    Fedorov Sergei -- 24 -- 1993-94 -- C -- DET -- 454
    Hull Bobby -- 24 -- 1963-64 -- LW -- CHI -- 444,5
    Weiland Cooney -- 24 -- 1929-30 -- C -- BOS -- 436

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    Player Name -- Age -- SEASON -- POS -- TEAM -- "HHOF Monitor" Pts
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    Lafleur Guy -- 25 -- 1976-77 -- RW -- MTL -- 691
    Gretzky Wayne -- 25 -- 1986-87 -- C -- EDM -- 651,5
    Morenz Howie -- 25 -- 1927-28 -- C -- MTL -- 554
    Conacher Charlie -- 25 -- 1934-35 -- RW -- TOR -- 513,5
    Richard Maurice -- 25 -- 1946-47 -- RW -- MTL -- 511,5
    Bailey Ace I. -- 25 -- 1928-29 -- RW -- TOR -- 496,5
    Bentley Max -- 25 -- 1945-46 -- C -- CHI -- 490
    Hull Bobby -- 25 -- 1964-65 -- LW -- CHI -- 482
    Fuhr Grant -- 25 -- 1987-88 -- G -- EDM -- 464
    Nighbor Frank -- 25 -- 1918-19 -- C -- OTT1 -- 429,5
     
  9. wingnut22

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    People forget how dominant Yzerman was when he was younger
     
  10. Trottier

    Trottier Very Random

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    I always get a kick out of how Trottier and Bossy get slighted when conversations like this come up. And, of course, there they are, near the top of most every list of greatness, by every measuring stick. To be sure, among players of the last four decades, #99, #66 and #4 are on a pedestal unto themselves. (And, BTW, the idea that Ovechkin and Crosby "will soon be there" is ridiculously premature and a slight to greatness achieved).

    But beyond that trio, #19 and #22 are right there in the conversation. Or at least should be. (And, oddly, often are not.)

    Rest assured, this is no 15 y/o fanboy seeking "pub" for his heroes, nor pleading for love and attention.

    Just an observation.
     
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    I think that Trottier gets the shaft because people are envious of his wicked 'stache. :D

    On a more serious note, I had a chance to watch some old Islanders games from their dynasty years (being too young to have seen them first hand), and Trottier and Bossy were just incredibly dominant. It's amazing what they were able to do at such a young age. They were what, maybe 23 or 24 when they won their first cup?
     
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    Trottier Very Random

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    Yep, exactly (about the age; not so sure about the moustache. :D ).
     
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    Psycho Papa Joe Porkchop Hoser

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    Not to mention Denis Potvin who had three Norris Trophies before he reached 26 years old, and arguably could have had one or two more. I think only Orr has accomplished that.
     
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    With all due respect to all the other players who were mentioned, Orr and Gretzky were on a completely different level. Early 20s? Hell, Orr was winning Norris Trophies and Gretzky was winning Harts as teenagers. Most teens can`t hold down a roster spot. By the time those two were 22, they had both clearly established themselves as the best player in the game. There is a world of difference between that and an Ovechkin having a very good rookie year.

    Look at it this way: Mario Lemieux won his first MVP at 22; when Gretzky was 22 he was working on MVP season #5. Ray Bourque won his first of many Norris Trophies at age 26; Orr already had 7 of them under his belt at that age.

    Orr and Gretzky were simply in their own world. I honestly believe if they joined the NHL at age 16 they would have been better than the average NHL veteran.
     
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    pitseleh Registered User

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    In a psychology course I took a few years ago, I remember reading about a study that someone did that showed how Gretzky was able to see the game. He was able to look at a group of players and determine how the play was going to develop instantaneously, much like a great chess player can analyze a board and determine what the best move is. This is contrasted with most other hockey players who had no such ability - they inferred that was the reason that Gretzky felt the game was 'in slow motion' when he was playing. I'm sure that Bobby Orr had a similar type of gift. It would take a special player with the same type of gift, IMO, to come close to them.
     

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