Players re-entering the draft

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I was just curious about something. Many people here have talked about players who re-enter the draft. Does anyone know how successful these players are that do? I'm not necessarily asking about how well do they once they make it to the pros here but rather what impact, if any, it has on their stock compared to the last time they were there. For example, people have talked about A.J. Thelen re-entering the draft. When Minnesota originally drafted him, many were pretty high on him and his future potential but now it seems that his stock has really fallen, particularly since leaving Michigan State. Is Thelen's case the exception or the norm?
 

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In the case of someone like Scott Parker (weird, eh?), he went from a 3rd round pick to a 1st round pick after he wasn't signed the first time around.
 

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Generally speaking, I would say that the player's stock has fallen and they get re-drafted at a lower position... which is probably partially the reason the players not being signed.

3 examples I can think of:

Nick Boynton
9th overall in 97, 21st overall in 99 (although still a 1st round pick).

Matt Zultek
15th overall in 97, 56th overall in 99.

Ramzi Abid
28th overall in 98, 85th overall in 00.
 

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Matthew Lombardi went from 215th in '00 to 90th in '02
Jarret Stoll went from 46th in '00 to 36th in '02


Seems to have worked well for both of them.
 

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Matthew Lombardi went from 215th in '00 to 90th in '02
Jarret Stoll went from 46th in '00 to 36th in '02


Seems to have worked well for both of them.

Yeah, CGY and EDM could have each saved thier 02 picks if they traded those two guys before the draft lol

Stoll was picked by CGY, then EDM when he re-entered, opposite for Lombardi
 

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yeah... i love lombardi, but that really pissed me off when stoll went back into the draft and didnt sign with calgary stoll is probably one of my favourite players

ps. thelen i think becomes a free agent now? hes done playing junior hockey, finishing up his overage year in the WHL and now is free to sign with an nhl club? correct me if im wrong...
 

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Except that part of the reason Lombardi was picked so early was to get back at Edmonton.
 

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Nathan Paetsch went from #58 overall (2nd rounder) in '01 to #202 (7th rounder) in '03.

Gerald DiCaire went from #48 overall in 2000 to #162 in '02.
 

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Anaheim prospect Tim Brent was re-entered and oddly enough re-selected by Anaheim.
 

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Fedor Fedorov moved up the second time:
Selected by Tampa Bay #182 overall in the 1999 NHL Entry Draft
Selected by Vancouver #66 overall in the 2001 NHL Entry Draft
 

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And don't forget Dany Roussin

2003 - 7th round, 223rd overall
2005 - 2nd round, 50th overall

Playing on a line with Crosby helped him increase his stock by 5 rounds :sarcasm:
 

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There weren't any re-draftees, it was a non-issue this year.

Although not a re-draftee, Frazer McLaren played in preseason games with the Kings last year as a try-out and was drafted by the Sharks last week.

Since 2007 draftees need to have their 18th birthday on or before 9/15/1989 then out of the 211 draftees, 43 draftees were eligible for the 2006 draft. Of these, 14 2007 draftees were eligible in 2005. Of these, two draftees--Nashville's Robert Dietrich (7/25/1986) and Tampa Bay's Johan Harju (5/15/1986)--were eligible to be drafted in 2004 unless I'm not remembering a change to the 2005 CBA.
 

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All Redrafted Players

Player|Num|Drafted By Franch.|Round|Draft Year|Origin Team
Evans John Paul|84|LA|Round 5|1974|Peterborough Petes (OHL/CHL)
Evans John Paul|149|TOR|Round 9|1975|Peterborough Petes (OHL/CHL)
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Ullander Mats|191|NJ|Round 12|1974|Boden (Sweden)
Ullander Mats|237|LA|Round 12|1982|AIK Solna (Sweden)
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Berglund Bo|140|BOS|Round 8|1975|Modo Hockey Ornskoldsvik (Sweden)
Berglund Bo|242|COL|Round 12|1983|Skelleftea (Sweden)
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Clark Dan|89|PHI|Round 5|1977|Kamloops Chiefs (WCHL)
Clark Dan|110|NYR|Round 7|1978|Milwaukee Admirals (IHL)
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Eastman Dan|65|TOR|Round 4|1977|London Knights (OHL/CHL)
Eastman Dan|116|BUF|Round 7|1978|Saginaw Gears (IHL)
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Ireland Randy|60|CHI|Round 4|1977|Portland Winter Hawks (WHL/CHL)
Ireland Randy|82|BUF|Round 5|1978|Flint Generals (IHL)
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Luckner Harold|121|NYI|Round 7|1977|Farjestads BK Karlstad (Sweden)
Luckner Harold|56|VAN|Round 4|1978|Farjestads BK Karlstad (Sweden)
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Sirois Rich|86|BUF|Round 5|1977|Laval National (QMJHL/CHL)
Sirois Rich|122|WAS|Round 8|1978|Milwaukee Admirals (IHL)
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Sullivan Bob|116|NYR|Round 7|1977|Chicoutimi Sagueneens (QMJHL/CHL)
Sullivan Bob|180|CGY|Round 11|1978|Toledo Goaldiggers (IHL)
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Toffolo Mark|113|CLE|Round 7|1977|Chicoutimi Sagueneens (QMJHL/CHL)
Toffolo Mark|172|WAS|Round 11|1978|Port Huron Flags (IHL)
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Fetisov Viacheslav|201|MTL|Round 12|1978|CSKA Moscow (Russia)
Fetisov Viacheslav|150|NJ|Round 8|1983|CSKA Moscow (Russia)
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Stastny Anton|198|PHI|Round 12|1978|Slovan Bratislava (Czech)
Stastny Anton|83|COL|Round 4|1979|Slovan Bratislava (Czech)
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Nordmark Robert|191|DET|Round 10|1981|Lulea HF (Sweden)
Nordmark Robert|59|STL|Round 3|1987|Lulea HF (Sweden)
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Takko Kari|200|COL|Round 10|1981|Assat Pori (Finland)
Takko Kari|97|DAL|Round 5|1984|Assat Pori (Finland)
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Jarvenpaa Hannu|145|MTL|Round 7|1982|Karpat (Finland)
Jarvenpaa Hannu|71|PHO|Round 4|1986|Karpat (Finland)
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Grimson Stu|193|DET|Round 10|1983|Regina Pats (WHL/CHL)
Grimson Stu|143|CGY|Round 7|1985|Regina Pats (WHL/CHL)
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Javanainen Arto|122|MTL|Round 6|1983|Assat Pori (Finland)
Javanainen Arto|85|PIT|Round 5|1984|Assat Pori (Finland)
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Reekie Joe|128|CAR|Round 7|1983|North-Bay Centennials (OHL/CHL)
Reekie Joe|119|BUF|Round 6|1985|Cornwall Royals (OHL/CHL)
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Alexander Ken|126|PHI|Round 6|1985|Kitchener Rangers (OHL/CHL)
Alexander Ken|217|TOR|Round 11|1987|Hamilton (OHL/CHL)
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Vitolinsh Harijs|188|MTL|Round 9|1988|Riga (Latvia)
Vitolinsh Harijs|228|PHO|Round 9|1993|Chur (Switz)
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Corriveau Rick|31|STL|Round 2|1989|London Knights (OHL/CHL)
Corriveau Rick|168|WAS|Round 8|1991|London Knights (OHL/CHL)
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Andersson Erik|112|LA|Round 6|1990|Danderyd (Sweden)
Andersson Erik|70|CGY|Round 3|1997|U. of Denver (NCAA)
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Matthews Jamie|44|CHI|Round 2|1991|Sudbury Wolves (OHL/CHL)
Matthews Jamie|262|SJ|Round 11|1993|Sudbury Wolves (OHL/CHL)
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Dopita Jiri|133|BOS|Round 6|1992|Olomouc (Czech)
Dopita Jiri|123|NYI|Round 5|1998|Petra Vsetin HC (Czech)
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Duthie Ryan|91|NYI|Round 5|1992|Spokane Chiefs (WHL/CHL)
Duthie Ryan|105|CGY|Round 4|1994|Spokane Chiefs (WHL/CHL)
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Stevenson Jeremy|60|PHO|Round 3|1992|Cornwall Royals (OHL/CHL)
Stevenson Jeremy|262|ANA|Round 11|1994|Sault Ste. Marie Greyhounds (OHL/CHL)
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Courville Larry|119|PHO|Round 5|1993|Newmarket Royals (OHL/CHL)
Courville Larry|61|VAN|Round 3|1995|Oshawa Generals (OHL/CHL)
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Lank Jeff|113|MTL|Round 5|1993|Prince Albert Raiders (WHL/CHL)
Lank Jeff|230|PHI|Round 9|1995|Prince Albert Raiders (WHL/CHL)
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Leboutillier Peter|144|NYI|Round 6|1993|Red Deer Rebels (WHL/CHL)
Leboutillier Peter|133|ANA|Round 6|1995|Red Deer Rebels (WHL/CHL)
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McCauley Bill|83|FLA|Round 4|1993|Detroit Jr. Red Wings (OHL/CHL)
McCauley Bill|73|BOS|Round 3|1995|Detroit Jr. Red Wings (OHL/CHL)
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Bertsch Jay|191|COL|Round 8|1994|Spokane Chiefs (WHL/CHL)
Bertsch Jay|205|NJ|Round 8|1996|Spokane Chiefs (WHL/CHL)
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Goneau Daniel|47|BOS|Round 2|1994|Granby Predateurs (QMJHL)
Goneau Daniel|48|NYR|Round 2|1996|Granby Predateurs (QMJHL/CHL)
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Prosofsky Tyler|170|CHI|Round 7|1994|Tacoma Rockets (WHL/CHL)
Prosofsky Tyler|121|VAN|Round 5|1996|Kelowna Rockets (WHL/CHL)
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Bolibruck Kevin|89|OTT|Round 4|1995|Peterborough Petes (OHL/CHL)
Bolibruck Kevin|176|EDM|Round 7|1997|Peterborough Petes (OHL/CHL)
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Larsen Brad|53|OTT|Round 3|1995|Swift Current Broncos (WHL/CHL)
Larsen Brad|87|COL|Round 4|1997|Swift Current Broncos (WHL/CHL)
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Tripp John|77|COL|Round 3|1995|Oshawa Generals (OHL/CHL)
Tripp John|42|CGY|Round 2|1997|Oshawa Generals (OHL/CHL)
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Willis Shane|56|TB|Round 3|1995|Prince-Albert Raiders (WHL/CHL)
Willis Shane|88|CAR|Round 4|1997|Lethbridge Hurricanes (WHL/CHL)
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Bernier David|168|EDM|Round 7|1996|St. Hyacinthe Lasers (QMJHL/CHL)
Bernier David|205|ANA|Round 8|1998|Quebec Remparts (QMJHL/CHL)
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Dagenais Pierre|47|NJ|Round 2|1996|Moncton Alpines (QMJHL/CHL)
Dagenais Pierre|105|NJ|Round 4|1998|Rouyn Noranda Huskies (QMJHL/CHL)
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Doyle Jason|80|BOS|Round 3|1996|Sault Ste. Marie Greyhounds (OHL/CHL)
Doyle Jason|242|NYI|Round 9|1998|Owen Sound Platers (OHL/CHL)
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Dwyer Gordie|67|STL|Round 3|1996|Beauport Harfangs (QMJHL/CHL)
Dwyer Gordie|152|MTL|Round 6|1998|Quebec Remparts (QMJHL/CHL)
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Kane Boyd|72|PIT|Round 3|1996|Regina Pats (WHL/CHL)
Kane Boyd|114|NYR|Round 4|1998|Regina Pats (WHL/CHL)
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Korolev Evgeny|192|NYI|Round 8|1996|Peterborough Petes (OHL/CHL)
Korolev Evgeny|182|NYI|Round 7|1998|London Knights (OHL/CHL)
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Lefebvre Christian|94|CGY|Round 4|1996|Granby Predateurs (QMJHL/CHL)
Lefebvre Christian|213|EDM|Round 8|1998|Baie-Comeau Drakkar (QMJHL/CHL)
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Parker Scott|63|NJ|Round 3|1996|Kelowna Rockets (WHL/CHL)
Parker Scott|20|COL|Round 1|1998|Kelowna Rockets (WHL/CHL)
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Ward Lance|10|NJ|Round 1|1996|Red Deer Rebels (WHL/CHL)
Ward Lance|63|FLA|Round 3|1998|Red Deer Rebels (WHL/CHL)
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Baumgartner Gregor|37|MTL|Round 2|1997|Laval Titan College Francais (QMJHL/CHL)
Baumgartner Gregor|156|DAL|Round 5|1999|Acadie Bathurst Titan (QMJHL/CHL)
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Baxter Jim|91|BOS|Round 7|1997|Oshawa Generals (OHL/CHL)
Baxter Jim|180|CAR|Round 7|1999|Oshawa Generals (OHL/CHL)
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Boynton Nicholas|9|WAS|Round 1|1997|Ottawa 67's (OHL/CHL)
Boynton Nicholas|21|BOS|Round 1|1999|Ottawa 67's (OHL/CHL)
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Lindsay Evan|32|CGY|Round 2|1997|Prince Albert Raiders (WHL/CHL)
Lindsay Evan|107|MTL|Round 4|1999|Prince Albert Raiders (WHL/CHL)
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Mcdonell Kent|225|CAR|Round 9|1997|Guelph Platers (OHL/CHL)
Mcdonell Kent|181|DET|Round 6|1999|Guelph Storm (OHL/CHL)
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Schnabel Robert|79|NYI|Round 3|1997|Slavia Praha HC (Czech)
Schnabel Robert|129|PHO|Round 5|1998|Red Deer Rebels (WHL/CHL)
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Zultek Matt|15|LA|Round 1|1997|Ottawa 67's (OHL/CHL)
Zultek Matt|56|BOS|Round 2|1999|Ottawa 67's (OHL/CHL)
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Abid Ramzi|28|COL|Round 2|1998|Chicoutimi Sagueneens (QMJHL/CHL)
Abid Ramzi|85|PHO|Round 3|2000|Halifax Mooseheads (QMJHL/CHL)
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Brunel Craig|147|NSH|Round 6|1998|Prince Albert Raiders (WHL/CHL)
Brunel Craig|263|BUF|Round 9|1999|Prince Albert Raiders (WHL/CHL)
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Chouinard Mathieu|15|OTT|Round 1|1998|Shawinigan Cataractes (QMJHL/CHL)
Chouinard Mathieu|45|OTT|Round 2|2000|Shawinigan Cataractes (QMJHL/CHL)
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Gauvreau Brent|120|CGY|Round 5|1998|Oshawa Generals (OHL/CHL)
Gauvreau Brent|186|PHO|Round 6|2000|Oshawa Generals (OHL/CHL)
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Papineau Justin|46|LA|Round 2|1998|Belleville Bulls (OHL/CHL)
Papineau Justin|75|STL|Round 3|2000|Belleville Bulls (OHL/CHL)
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Rupp Michael|9|NYI|Round 1|1998|Erie Otters (OHL/CHL)
Rupp Michael|76|NJ|Round 3|2000|Erie Otters (OHL/CHL)
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Van Buskirk Ryan|100|PHO|Round 4|1998|Sarnia Sting (OHL/CHL)
Van Buskirk Ryan|121|WAS|Round 4|2000|Sarnia Sting (OHL/CHL)
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Bembridge Garrett|137|NYR|Round 5|1999|Saskatoon Blades (WHL/CHL)
Bembridge Garrett|207|CGY|Round 7|2001|Saskatoon Blades (WHL/CHL)
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Fedorov Fedor|182|TB|Round 6|1999|Port-Huron Border Cats (UHL)
Fedorov Fedor|66|VAN|Round 3|2001|Sudbury Wolves (OHL/CHL)
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Reynolds Peter|60|TOR|Round 2|1999|London Knights (OHL/CHL)
Reynolds Peter|274|CAR|Round 9|2001|North Bay Centennials (OHL/CHL)
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Scheffelmaier Brett|75|TB|Round 3|1999|Medicine Hat Tigers (WHL/CHL)
Scheffelmaier Brett|190|STL|Round 6|2001|Medicine Hat Tigers (WHL/CHL)
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Stephens Charlie|31|WAS|Round 2|1999|Guelph Storm (OHL/CHL)
Stephens Charlie|196|COL|Round 6|2001|Guelph Storm (OHL/CHL)
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Van Hoof Jeremy|57|PIT|Round 2|1999|Ottawa 67's (OHL/CHL)
Van Hoof Jeremy|222|TB|Round 7|2001|Ottawa 67's (OHL/CHL)
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Wanvig Kyle|89|BOS|Round 3|1999|Kootenay Ice (WHL/CHL)
Wanvig Kyle|36|MIN|Round 2|2001|Red Deer Rebels (WHL/CHL)
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Zepp Rob|99|ATL|Round 4|1999|Plymouth Whalers (OHL/CHL)
Zepp Rob|110|CAR|Round 4|2001|Plymouth Whalers (OHL/CHL)
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Zigomanis Michael|64|BUF|Round 2|1999|Kingston Frontenacs (OHL/CHL)
Zigomanis Michael|46|CAR|Round 2|2001|Kingston Frontenacs (OHL/CHL)
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DiCaire Gerard|48|BUF|Round 2|2000|Seattle Thunderbirds (WHL/CHL)
DiCaire Gerard|162|TB|Round 5|2002|Kootenay Ice (WHL/CHL)
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Flache Paul|152|EDM|Round 5|2000|Brampton Battalion (OHL/CHL)
Flache Paul|144|ATL|Round 5|2002|Brampton Battalion (OHL/CHL)
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Hamerlik Peter|84|PIT|Round 3|2000|Skalica (Slovakia)
Hamerlik Peter|153|BOS|Round 5|2002|Kingston Frontenacs (OHL/CHL)
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Johansson Eric|255|MIN|Round 8|2000|Tri-City Americans (WHL/CHL)
Johansson Eric|187|NJ|Round 6|2002|Tri-City Americans (WHL/CHL)
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Lombardi Matthew|215|EDM|Round 7|2000|Victoriaville Tigres (QMJHL/CHL)
Lombardi Matthew|90|CGY|Round 3|2002|Victoriaville Tigres (QMJHL/CHL)
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Stoll Jarret|46|CGY|Round 2|2000|Kootenay Ice (WHL/CHL)
Stoll Jarret|36|EDM|Round 2|2002|Kootenay Ice (WHL/CHL)
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Chiodo Andy|166|NYI|Round 7|2001|Toronto St. Michael's Majors (OHL/CHL)
Chiodo Andy|199|PIT|Round 7|2003|Toronto St. Michael's Majors (OHL/CHL)
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Nolan Brandon|72|NJ|Round 3|2001|Oshawa Generals (OHL/CHL)
Nolan Brandon|111|VAN|Round 4|2003|Oshawa Generals (OHL/CHL)
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Paetsch Nathan|58|WAS|Round 2|2001|Moose Jaw Warriors (WHL/CHL)
Paetsch Nathan|202|BUF|Round 7|2003|Moose Jaw Warriors (WHL/CHL)
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Stephenson Shay|278|EDM|Round 9|2001|Red Deer Rebels (WHL/CHL)
Stephenson Shay|198|CAR|Round 7|2003|Red Deer Rebels (WHL/CHL)
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Brent Tim|37|ANA|Round 2|2002|Toronto St. Michael's Majors (OHL/CHL)
Brent Tim|75|ANA|Round 3|2004|Toronto St. Michael's Majors (OHL/CHL)
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Fiedler Jonas|86|SJ|Round 3|2002|Plymouth Whalers (OHL/CHL)
Fiedler Jonas|235|CAR|Round 8|2004|Plymouth Whalers (OHL/CHL)
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Vagner Martin|26|DAL|Round 1|2002|Hull Olympiques (QMJHL/CHL)
Vagner Martin|268|CAR|Round 9|2004|Gatineau Olympiques (QMJHL/CHL)
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Colbert Will|228|OTT|Round 7|2003|Ottawa 67's (OHL/CHL)
Colbert Will|183|SJ|Round 6|2005|Ottawa 67's (OHL/CHL)
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Hendrikx Trevor|283|CLB|Round 9|2003|Peterborough Petes (OHL/CHL)
Hendrikx Trevor|201|CLB|Round 7|2005|Peterborough Petes (OHL/CHL)
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Marjamaki Masi|66|BOS|Round 2|2003|Red Deer Rebels (WHL/CHL)
Marjamaki Masi|144|NYI|Round 5|2005|Moose Jaw Warriors (WHL/CHL)
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Roussin Dany|223|FLA|Round 7|2003|Rimouski Oceanic (QMJHL/CHL)
Roussin Dany|50|LA|Round 2|2005|Rimouski Oceanic (QMJHL/CHL)
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Hunter Eric|229|CHI|Round 8|2004|Prince George Cougars (WHL/CHL)
Hunter Eric|174|NYR|Round 6|2006|Prince George Cougars (WHL/CHL)
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Rome Ashton|108|BOS|Round 4|2004|Moose Jaw Warriors (WHL/CHL)
Rome Ashton|143|SJ|Round 5|2006|Kamloops Blazers (WHL/CHL)
 

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All Redrafted Players

Player|Num|Drafted By Franch.|Round|Draft Year|Origin Team
Luckner Harold|121|NYI|Round 7|1977|Farjestads BK Karlstad (Sweden)
Luckner Harold|56|VAN|Round 4|1978|Farjestads BK Karlstad (Sweden)
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Courville Larry|119|PHO|Round 5|1993|Newmarket Royals (OHL/CHL)
Courville Larry|61|VAN|Round 3|1995|Oshawa Generals (OHL/CHL)
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Prosofsky Tyler|170|CHI|Round 7|1994|Tacoma Rockets (WHL/CHL)
Prosofsky Tyler|121|VAN|Round 5|1996|Kelowna Rockets (WHL/CHL)
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Fedorov Fedor|182|TB|Round 6|1999|Port-Huron Border Cats (UHL)
Fedorov Fedor|66|VAN|Round 3|2001|Sudbury Wolves (OHL/CHL)
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Nolan Brandon|72|NJ|Round 3|2001|Oshawa Generals (OHL/CHL)
Nolan Brandon|111|VAN|Round 4|2003|Oshawa Generals (OHL/CHL)

Case #259 on why Canucks scouting absolutely sucks. Continually re-drafting old, proven failures, usually 50+ picks ahead of where they were previously taken. :shakehead
 

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