Player Discussion: Shayne Gostisbehere 2018-19 edition

[deadhead]

Well, it's a tough matchup issue for AV.

Provorov - Niskanen is your best all around pair.
Sanheim - Braun, with Sanheim being your best offensive defenseman (ES) and Braun to CYA for him, allowing him to remain aggressive.
Ghost - Myers, your most talented pair, but with Myers' inexperience and Ghost's lack of size.

 

[NYCFlyer]

This never happens. Coaches obsess over matchups.

For good reason. To optimize performance. Obviously not every combination of F line and D pair will gel for whatever reason. Why would you just randomize when you can optimize by putting lines and pairs that work well together.

 

[wankstifier]

Well, it's a tough matchup issue for AV.

Provorov - Niskanen is your best all around pair.
Sanheim - Braun, with Sanheim being your best offensive defenseman (ES) and Braun to CYA for him, allowing him to remain aggressive.
Ghost - Myers, your most talented pair, but with Myers' inexperience and Ghost's lack of size.

Niskanen and Provorov haven’t even played together yet.

I’m not sure if I’d count on Braun to cover anyone’s ass.

 

[deadhead]

Niskanen and Provorov haven’t even played together yet.

I’m not sure if I’d count on Braun to cover anyone’s ass.

Braun is a top defensive defenseman, his offense has nosedived, but he's still very good at preventing scoring chances.

 

[dragonoffrost]

I wouldn't say going from an average of 20 points to 16 points is a nosedive. There really wasn't any offense there to begin with.

 

[Rich Nixon]

I wouldn't say going from an average of 20 points to 16 points is a nosedive. There really wasn't any offense there to begin with.

He did clock 33 points in 2017-18 before last season's 16, but the 33 was certainly the surprising exception to the rule.

 

[dragonoffrost]

He did clock 33 points in 2017-18 before last season's 16, but the 33 was certainly the surprising exception to the rule.

yeah 8th year in and getting 1.5 times your average production isn't to be expected as the new norm.

 

[deadhead]

Braun just has to nurse maid Travis for one season, get the puck in the D-zone and out to Travis and provide the "last man back."
I mean that's basically what Gudas did and Braun is a better skater.

Next year Myers moves up to the top 4, and Friedman/Morin move into the 3rd pair with Ghost.

 

[Larry44]

Well, it's a tough matchup issue for AV.

Provorov - Niskanen is your best all around pair.
Sanheim - Braun, with Sanheim being your best offensive defenseman (ES) and Braun to CYA for him, allowing him to remain aggressive.
Ghost - Myers, your most talented pair, but with Myers' inexperience and Ghost's lack of size.

We'll see what AV does.

I think it's possible the new coaches will put the best 4 D in the top 4:

Provy-Ghost
Sanheim-Niskanen
Morin-Braun shut down pairing
Hagg

And Myers to start in the AHL. This avoids having to deal Morin or Hagg under pressure of losing them on waivers until the D settles in.

Then Myers can come up if a shuffle is necessary or someone gets hurt.

 

[VladDrag]

We'll see what AV does.

I think it's possible the new coaches will put the best 4 D in the top 4:

Provy-Ghost
Sanheim-Niskanen
Morin-Braun shut down pairing
Hagg

And Myers to start in the AHL. This avoids having to deal Morin or Hagg under pressure of losing them on waivers until the D settles in.

Then Myers can come up if a shuffle is necessary or someone gets hurt.

Myers is better than Morin, Hagg and Braun.

I would rather lose Hagg than send Myers to the AHL. Actually I think I would rather trade him but if that’s not an option...

 

[dragonoffrost]

We'll see what AV does.

I think it's possible the new coaches will put the best 4 D in the top 4:

Provy-Ghost
Sanheim-Niskanen
Morin-Braun shut down pairing
Hagg

And Myers to start in the AHL. This avoids having to deal Morin or Hagg under pressure of losing them on waivers until the D settles in.

Then Myers can come up if a shuffle is necessary or someone gets hurt.

Fletcher has said Myers is on the third pair. He's not going to the AHL.

 

[Rebels57]

We'll see what AV does.

I think it's possible the new coaches will put the best 4 D in the top 4:

Provy-Ghost
Sanheim-Niskanen
Morin-Braun shut down pairing
Hagg

And Myers to start in the AHL. This avoids having to deal Morin or Hagg under pressure of losing them on waivers until the D settles in.

Then Myers can come up if a shuffle is necessary or someone gets hurt.

They traded Gudas because they viewed him as a 3RD and wanted Myers to start there. Hes not going back to the AHL.

 

[Curufinwe]

Myers and Patrick to the AHL.

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[FLYguy3911]

Hart too.

Myers + Patrick + Hart = Calder

 

[dragonoffrost]

Myers and Patrick to the AHL.

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Why????

 

[wankstifier]

Must be temporary?

 

[prototypical4thliner]

Myers and Patrick to the AHL.

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Stop this madness.

 

[Garbage Goal]

Myers is definitely assures a spot short of blowing it completely. With how cluttered the D is and how they continually seek out players outside the organization to fill out the D, I’m pretty convinced Morin will never get a real shot in the lineup as anything close to a mainstay.

 

[deadhead]

Morin will get a shot if he earns it, but there's no guarantee he's even ahead of Hagg or Friedman right now.
He hasn't actually done anything special in his career, even before his injuries, that would guarantee him a job.
If he shows well in camp he'll be the #7 defensemen, injuries are almost inevitable, and he'll have his chance to Wally Pipp someone.

 

[Doodootheclown]

SG: I was hampered down a little bit with my leg. I think this summer we’ve nailed it down to the point where I can really figure out how to take care of it and be OK with it. I think not skating on one and a half legs will be a lot easier this season. For me, again I don’t want to use it as an excuse, but this summer I took care of it and hopefully it will be a better season.

 

[Here4ThaLids]

They gave Myers a low number. He's starting in the NHL.

 

[MacDonald4MVP]

SG: I was hampered down a little bit with my leg. I think this summer we’ve nailed it down to the point where I can really figure out how to take care of it and be OK with it. I think not skating on one and a half legs will be a lot easier this season. For me, again I don’t want to use it as an excuse, but this summer I took care of it and hopefully it will be a better season.

Did he play through an injuries? Seems to be a trend.
Your friendly reminder that all of Ghost, Sanheim and Myers have suffered significant lower body injuries being stuck in minors. But no one gets hurt by being in Ahl for too long right hexy? Probably just used it as excuse for not being strong enough to begin with lol. Wait a minute wasn't that the case with Morin too?

 

[deadhead]

One of the keys for Ghost this season is this:

I’d say it was an accumulation of things. It was a blocked shot and then trying to come back from it and skating on it. I think rest was probably the best thing for it, but it’s hard for someone to tell a hockey player not to play when you know you’re capable of playing so I’m gonna play any chance I get. I still think I was valuable to the team but that’s in the past. Hopefully I’m looking and all of us are looking toward a healthy season, just going out there. We’ve got a really good team this year so it’s gonna be exciting.


With Morin as your 7th D-man and Hagg/Friedman as your 8th, the Flyers will have the depth to rest players and let them heal.
This is especially important for Ghost, who with his frame, he's going to get banged up at times. His game falls off drastically when injured/dinged (it's not like he can use his size to compensate if his skating is compromised), so it just makes sense to sit him for a couple weeks rather than have him play at 75%.

 

[deadhead]

Did he play through an injuries? Seems to be a trend.
Your friendly reminder that all of Ghost, Sanheim and Myers have suffered significant lower body injuries being stuck in minors. But no one gets hurt by being in Ahl for too long right hexy? Probably just used it as excuse for not being strong enough to begin with lol. Wait a minute wasn't that the case with Morin too?

You get the same injuries in the NHL. They didn't get injured b/c they were in the AHL, they just got injured.

Deep teams that are good enough to easily make the playoffs often rest key players to get them healthy for the playoffs, thin teams that are on the bubble ask players to play through injuries and they're never 100%.

 

[Appleyard]

Congrats to Ghost!

No other Dman the Flyers have ever drafted has more NHL points than him now.