Thats the thing that makes this team even more dangerous. This team does not rely on 1 player offensively, it does not rely on its goaltending. It does not rely on boring snoozfest defense.
This team stays the same as is right now they are the 2nd best team in the league. And should be able to do some damage in the playoffs. And that is with kane and karlsson injured.
Both those players back and the below average goaltending continuing and it still doesn't change much.
But thats the thing. The sharks goaltending can't get much worse by the numbers. But it for sure get better. And that is scary.
Am I the only crazy one who trusts Dell more than Jones. He's more athletic, is 1000x better handling the puck, and he give 100% on every shot. He needs to work on angles and positioning. He needs to limit the blowouts but he's not worse than Jones and I think Jones is just the worst, especially this year. Just no faith in him in the least. He's just not good enough.
Am I the only crazy one who trusts Dell more than Jones. He's more athletic, is 1000x better handling the puck, and he give 100% on every shot. He needs to work on angles and positioning. He needs to limit the blowouts but he's not worse than Jones and I think Jones is just the worst, especially this year. Just no faith in him in the least. He's just not good enough.
They’re both far too inconsistent to trust one over the other imo.
Agree.Dell has given no reason to trust him more than Jones at this point.
This is a fair point and I think there’s a good argument that facing fewer shots will hurt a goalie’s save percentage.One thing I'd be curious about is the percentage of overall shots against that are HD shots against for goalies. It's a fairly standard issue for goalies to do poorer when they don't see a lot of pucks and the way the Sharks play does seem to reduce overall shots to a pretty good degree but they've also let a lot of prime scoring opportunities against.
PREACH!It's comical to suggest that because the Sharks give up some highly visible high danger chances that therefore none of this is Jones' fault. Every team gives up high danger scoring chances, and the statistics that are danger-adjusted are just as bad as the 'raw' stats.
I had some time today, so I sorted Natural Stat Trick by 1000+ min TOI (picked arbitrarily to try and capture platoons but not backups - if you have a better number suggestion I'm all ears) and 52 goaltenders showed up. It's actually even worse than I thought. Here are Jones' rankings for the year:
SV%: 0.897, 52/52 (next worst: Keith Kinkaid, 0.903)
GSAA: -26.09, 52/52 (next worst: Keith Kinkaid, -15.69)
But San Jose's defense sucks, right? OK, let's adjust for danger level:
HD SV%: 0.794, 46/52 (players behind him: Koskinen, Kinkaid, Korpisalo, Reimer, Domingue, Luongo)
HD GSAA: -11.47, 52/52 (next worst: Koskinen, -9.58)
MD SV%: 0.905, 37/52
MD GSAA: -2.12, 39/52
LD SV%: 0.955, 49/52 (players behind him: Rittich, Kinkaid, Bernier)
LD GSAA: -7.85, 50/52 (players behind him: Kinkaid, Bernier)
Just let these numbers sink in for a moment. He's the only goaltender in the league with 1000+ TOI below .900 sv%, he is 'leading' in negative GSAA by a country mile (10.6 goals clear of his closest 'competitor'), and every single one of his danger-adjusted stats is terrible (by the numbers, he is actually one of the league's WORST low danger goaltenders, which jives perfectly with the constant moaning and groaning about the softies he gives up and completely contradicts the narrative that he makes most of the saves he's supposed to and just gives up the no-chancers).
I also took a look at the per 60 stats because maybe the counting stats are inflated because he plays so much, right?
HD GSAA/60: -0.26, 46/52 (players below are Kinkaid, Domingue, Koskinen, Korpisalo, Reimer, Luongo)
MD GSAA/60: -0.05, 37/52
LD GSAA/60: -0.18, 48/52 (players below are Rittich, Talbot, Kinkaid, Bernier)
Oh, and by the way:
Total Shots Against/60: 27.12, 50/52
HD Shots Against/60: 7.98, 30/52 (for reference, Cam Ward faces an astounding 11.52 HD shots against/60)
MD Shots Against/60: 6.93, 5/52
LD Shots Against/60: 10.63, 3/52
So to sum up - Martin Jones barely faces any rubber to begin with, and faces just the 30th most high danger shots against per 60, but is among league leaders in medium and low danger shots against. That suggests the Sharks are doing a really good job suppressing opposing scoring chances. And yet, his individual stats are what they are. And Deller's, I'm sure, are just as bad.
I'm rooting for the guy. I think he's a good goaltender having a very bad year, just like Nabby did in 05-06. I desperately want him to turn it around because I want San Jose to win this year. I would happily eat every one of my words if Jones goes on a monster tear in the playoffs. But I just have zero comprehension of why people carry so much water for a goaltender that has been, by literally every single metric both 'basic' and advanced, one of the league's worst goaltenders this year. At some point, you have to face the facts and step into reality. San Jose, despite the noticeable poor defense at times, has overall done quite a good job suppressing opposing offense - they just haven't gotten the saves to back up their work.
It's comical to suggest that because the Sharks give up some highly visible high danger chances that therefore none of this is Jones' fault. Every team gives up high danger scoring chances, and the statistics that are danger-adjusted are just as bad as the 'raw' stats.
I had some time today, so I sorted Natural Stat Trick by 1000+ min TOI (picked arbitrarily to try and capture platoons but not backups - if you have a better number suggestion I'm all ears) and 52 goaltenders showed up. It's actually even worse than I thought. Here are Jones' rankings for the year:
SV%: 0.897, 52/52 (next worst: Keith Kinkaid, 0.903)
GSAA: -26.09, 52/52 (next worst: Keith Kinkaid, -15.69)
But San Jose's defense sucks, right? OK, let's adjust for danger level:
HD SV%: 0.794, 46/52 (players behind him: Koskinen, Kinkaid, Korpisalo, Reimer, Domingue, Luongo)
HD GSAA: -11.47, 52/52 (next worst: Koskinen, -9.58)
MD SV%: 0.905, 37/52
MD GSAA: -2.12, 39/52
LD SV%: 0.955, 49/52 (players behind him: Rittich, Kinkaid, Bernier)
LD GSAA: -7.85, 50/52 (players behind him: Kinkaid, Bernier)
Just let these numbers sink in for a moment. He's the only goaltender in the league with 1000+ TOI below .900 sv%, he is 'leading' in negative GSAA by a country mile (10.6 goals clear of his closest 'competitor'), and every single one of his danger-adjusted stats is terrible (by the numbers, he is actually one of the league's WORST low danger goaltenders, which jives perfectly with the constant moaning and groaning about the softies he gives up and completely contradicts the narrative that he makes most of the saves he's supposed to and just gives up the no-chancers).
I also took a look at the per 60 stats because maybe the counting stats are inflated because he plays so much, right?
HD GSAA/60: -0.26, 46/52 (players below are Kinkaid, Domingue, Koskinen, Korpisalo, Reimer, Luongo)
MD GSAA/60: -0.05, 37/52
LD GSAA/60: -0.18, 48/52 (players below are Rittich, Talbot, Kinkaid, Bernier)
Oh, and by the way:
Total Shots Against/60: 27.12, 50/52
HD Shots Against/60: 7.98, 30/52 (for reference, Cam Ward faces an astounding 11.52 HD shots against/60)
MD Shots Against/60: 6.93, 5/52
LD Shots Against/60: 10.63, 3/52
So to sum up - Martin Jones barely faces any rubber to begin with, and faces just the 30th most high danger shots against per 60, but is among league leaders in medium and low danger shots against. That suggests the Sharks are doing a really good job suppressing opposing scoring chances. And yet, his individual stats are what they are. And Deller's, I'm sure, are just as bad.
I'm rooting for the guy. I think he's a good goaltender having a very bad year, just like Nabby did in 05-06. I desperately want him to turn it around because I want San Jose to win this year. I would happily eat every one of my words if Jones goes on a monster tear in the playoffs. But I just have zero comprehension of why people carry so much water for a goaltender that has been, by literally every single metric both 'basic' and advanced, one of the league's worst goaltenders this year. At some point, you have to face the facts and step into reality. San Jose, despite the noticeable poor defense at times, has overall done quite a good job suppressing opposing offense - they just haven't gotten the saves to back up their work.
This is a fair point and I think there’s a good argument that facing fewer shots will hurt a goalie’s save percentage.
But it shouldn’t be the difference between being a .910% goalie and an .898% goalie.
I sorted down Shots Against/60 and looked over at HD Shots Against/60, HDSV%/60, and HDGSAA/60. I omitted Binnington because he faces 5.9 HD shots a game on 25.16 total shots, which isn't particularly close to what we're after. These are the next ten:One thing I'd be curious about is the percentage of overall shots against that are HD shots against for goalies. It's a fairly standard issue for goalies to do poorer when they don't see a lot of pucks and the way the Sharks play does seem to reduce overall shots to a pretty good degree but they've also let a lot of prime scoring opportunities against.
Rask, BOS | 26.78 | 7.06 | .839 | .09 |
Jones, SJ | 27.12 | 7.98 | .794 | -.26 |
Mrazek, CAR | 27.31 | 7.16 | .854 | .19 |
Smith, CGY | 27.76 | 8.54 | .810 | -.14 |
Fleury, VGK | 28.02 | 7.49 | .808 | -.14 |
Dubnyk, MIN | 28.04 | 6.33 | .800 | -.17 |
Rinne, NSH | 28.98 | 8.31 | .873 | .38 |
Domingue, TB | 29.05 | 7.12 | .789 | -.27 |
Rittich, CGY | 29.15 | 7.15 | .845 | .13 |
Halak, BOS | 29.21 | 7.69 | .891 | .84 |
Yes, I was looking at evens only. You're right, I should have mentioned that. 5s will make up the bulk of play in the postseason so I thought it was the most relevant bit.Are you guys looking at 5V5 or all strengths? If you’re looking at 5V5, which is the default setting for most websites and also where Jones tends to look worst, it’s best to make that clear.
The worst goaltender in the NHL. . .
Baffling.I can't believe this description is accurate, but right now Jones is legitimately the worst starter in the entire league
The worst goaltender in the NHL put up an .870 against the 3rd worst team in the NHL last night.
It's just a sad joke at this point. It's gotten so bad that any sort of odd man rush or breakaway is pretty much an automatic goal against these days.