His CF is 107 4th highest among defenseman. But that's just 6 above Troy Stecher and 27 above Pouliot. Troy has played 20 less minutes, with 6 less CF, Derrick has 40 minutes less played.
Also, you cannot compare those rates of defenseman vs forwards, defenseman just play a lot more. So they actually tent to have higher raw rates.
http://www.naturalstattrick.com/pla...toi=0&gpfilt=none&fd=&td=&tgp=82&lines=single
The 1st forward shows up is @ 28 that entire list is dominated by defenseman. They have higher rates then forwards... So bringing up Baertschi and Horvat doesn't make much sense. It's simply unfair.
His CF/60 is higher sure, that's fair. But as soon as you look at Fenwick and Shots it paints a contradictory picture. Gudbranson on ice shots for rate per 60 is 24.95, compared to Hutton's 29.62, Gudbranson might be producing high corsi, but not high fenwick or shots, which is showing the contrary.
I go over this in my PDO post
http://hfboards.mandatory.com/posts/137320359/
Fair enough
It's actually QoT measured by their TOI% or their CF%, same goes for QoC.
Your problem with rates aren't warranted. You are comparing 2 different players based on their raw stats while they don't have the same TOI. Yeah, of course Gudbranson is going to have higher base line corsi events. He spends 3-4 more minutes on average on the ice compared to Horvat 5-on-5. Your usage of statistics is very flawed. You did not come to a accurate conclusion. You accused me of cherry picking when you are doing dishonest tactics knowingly or unknowingly.
Rates are helpful comparing different defenseman or forwards with the ice time they are allotted. If one player gets a lot more icetime he will just simply have more raw data points. So comparing them is simply unfair.
I bring up more advanced stats based on his defensive play in here:
http://hfboards.mandatory.com/posts/137304369/
http://hfboards.mandatory.com/posts/137305025/
This has to do with how Gudbranson does not do well in preventing scoring chances, I match him up to Hutton, who has been ripped to shreds lately over being "bad defensively", to make a point how our perception of the two players are false.
You should really, I linked some.
I personally think you made a fair point in one of your points when it comes down to GA/GF GF%. That is absolutely a fair point to pick on me for. However, you make some critical errors in using advanced stats in the other ones.
When looking at GA/60 rates Gudbranson has a rate of 1.47 which is fantastic however, contrast that to his high/unsustainable on-ice save percentage it's fair to say that that will come down quite a bit and he will get scored on quite a lot more. That point I expanded in my PDO post, where I talk about his PDO and on-ice save percentage vs shooting percentage.
It's amazing how he manages this pretty much every game.
