Player Agent Don Meehan online right now....

[txomisc]

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So basically this thread is just as irrelevant as an Eklund thread?

 

[ChiHawks468]

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Yeah, apparently Mojoradio got a copy of what the NHL was talking to the NHLPA about on Thr. It sounds like it is not a formal proposal but outlines the ideas that they wanted to discuss with the PA.

Meehan was just on and basically said nothing of any consequence other than when asked if one side would "give in" he said he would rather it not be termed as one side "breaking" but rather the 2 sides working it out. I thought that was interesting that he would make that point.

 

[Egil]

So basically this thread is just as irrelevant as an Eklund thread?

MAYBE, the one diffirence is that Griffiths is a know quantity, unlike Eklund. However, it being radio, who knows.

BTW, as Griffiths asked Meehan about this rumoured proposal specifically?

 

[TruGr1t]

So basically this thread is just as irrelevant as an Eklund thread?

Not at all, these are established hockey personalities talking, Griffiths show has had some big time guests and he runs it really well. Comparing him to Eklund is absolutely absurd in my opinion.

It sounded viable what he was saying and Meehan didn't exactly disagree on any of the details. Given he was pretty vague on a lot of stuff. The deal itself sounds pretty realistic though (as in if something gets done it'll probably involve a similar compromise to what Griffiths was talking about).

 

[vanlady]

So basically this thread is just as irrelevant as an Eklund thread?

Ekland isn't an ex owner and extremely good friend of current NHL owner. Griffiths left the NHL on extremely good terms and still has all his contacts. He is also freinds with ole Burke and is Burke's wifes boss.

 

[Charge_Seven]

If that was the proposal then I can't see how pro-player people can still be on the players side if the season gets cancelled. The NHL has shown a lot of bending there.

If that is the offer, I will be very unhappy with the NHLPA not taking it, however it won't sway me to the owner side. The owners let this mess go on just as long as the players did without doing anything to save it. Seems to me that if that was th eowners offer it likely came with help from the PA during those meetings. It's the owners who should be making the final offer in my opinnion, and if that is it, I think they did a bang up job of saving the best for last.

That being said, I'd still like to see a buffer zone before any hard cap gets implemented simply because some teams are presently over it (I'm well aware they chose to be)...but who knows buyouts might be possible with resignings and such immediately after.

 

[Kickabrat]

That being said, I'd still like to see a buffer zone before any hard cap gets implemented simply because some teams are presently over it (I'm well aware they chose to be)...but who knows buyouts might be possible with resignings and such immediately after.

I think Betteman made it clear. Teams were warned that they would have to operate under a cap once a new CBA was in place and they had enough forewarning to get ther financial house in order. Teams like the Penguins certainly prepared for it. I suspect they will be the recipient of many a good player come equalization time not to mention a good chunk of revenue sharing, and maybe even a Sydney Crosby to boot. Any team that did not heed Betteman's advice did so knowingly and will have to suffer the consequences. It strikes me that the owners did not go to all this time and trouble only to issue a "get out of jail - free" card to free spending owners.

 

[Trottier]

Teams like the Penguins certainly prepared for it. I suspect they will be the recipient of many a good player come equalization time...

"Equalization time"

A socialistic term that would make Lenin proud.

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Question: based on most recent revenue numbers available, how much $$$ would the players realize (that is, 50% of revenue over $115MM, per what has been discussed here)?

How would that $$$ be distributed?

 

[Charge_Seven]

It strikes me that the owners did not go to all this time and trouble only to issue a "get out of jail - free" card to free spending owners.

It strikes me that the teams that know how to run a consitently good business didn't do so to pay for the mistakes/poor judgement of smaller market, and dumber GMs.

You're right, I don't expect much in the way of leeway, however, what is the punishment for going over the cap exactly?

 

[PeterSidorkiewicz]

As Being more pro-player than Pro-Owner this deal seems intriguing and livable. The exit clause would definitely be needed, and it seems somewhat fair for an outline cause its still not THAT indepth of what was mentioned. The one thing that the proposal definitely needs is MEANINGFUL revenue sharing, if thats not included that deal is pretty much worthless. I still believe that this offer is purely a rumour and nothing else though. After months of this crap I basically do not believe ONE word that any of the media says anymore. So until something official is announced I'll take this rumour as false. Same can be said for any other rumours that pop up.

 

[Egil]

This rumour is the same as Brian Burke is now reporting on TSN, so I think this can be viewed as legit.

I also think that based on this offer, that the next squable is going to be over defining and auditing of league revenues, expenses and profits. This part will be fun in a rush, and is going to be where goodenow and Bettman truly earn their money.

 

[bwunderlich]

Pittsburgh cut their payroll so low to prepare for the lockout. The penguins have a very expensive lease, coupled with high property taxes in western PA which forced them to control spending and save money to reach the other side of the lockout.

Also, the pens just hired an advisor from the John Kerry party who grew up in Pittsburgh to help in the political fight to secure one of the slots licences that would help fund a new arena.

Trust me, there are many other teams that have more problems than the Pens.

its been a few years so the details are fuzzy, but is pitt still paying mario his deferred salary from years back? when he put that ownship group together to stave off bankrupcy, didn't the pens owe him upwards of 33 million?

 

[chriss_co]

If the players accept this deal, then they are accepting a salary cap?

In that case, why did they wait this long?!

 

[HuskyFlames]

If the players accept this deal, then they are accepting a salary cap?

In that case, why did they wait this long?!

To get the league to move a bit on a few other issues and squeeze as much as they can because they knew in the end, they would have to cave.

 

[Phanuthier*]

If the players accept this deal, then they are accepting a salary cap?

In that case, why did they wait this long?!

Its Bob Goodenow's way of doing business. Sit there and wait.

The players tested the owners to see if they were lying. Obviously, that isn't the case.

 

[X0ssbar]

Not to worry - we've got Daly and Saskin to put any potential flames of optimism:

"''I'm not sure there is any difference of opinion,'' Daly told the Globe and Mail. ''I like to remain hopeful, but if the concepts we discussed with the NHLPA on Thursday night are not something that forms a basis for serious negotiations, I have to admit that I don't have much optimism that there will be hockey this year.''

''We are hoping to hear back from the union soon,'' Daly told TSN. We feel that what we laid out on Thursday night could form the basis of a new agreement. But I'm not sure the union shares that view.''

It doesn't.

"Bill knows that the concepts they discussed with us on Thursday would not form the basis for an agreement, so he should not be surprised that he hasn't heard from us," NHLPA senior director Ted Saskin said in a statement. "We were very clear on Thursday that we would not be negotiating over his proposed concepts.""

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Rehtoric, truth? Who in the hell knows anymore

 

[thinkwild]

Its a "crucial week" says Daly. 50/50% chance says Mario. All the leaks implying the players are going to vote on it and accept. The players have their cap offer, have been told they are auto workers, will they accept to save the season? Must be a tough week for the players. And some owners. Pressure is mounting.

Its a cap. The players have said they wont accept a cap. Rumour Blogs have tried to imply they would. Some players obviously would. I guess we'll soon find out how many.

 

[me2]

Its a "crucial week" says Daly. 50/50% chance says Mario. All the leaks implying the players are going to vote on it and accept. The players have their cap offer, have been told they are auto workers, will they accept to save the season? Must be a tough week for the players. And some owners. Pressure is mounting.

Its a cap. The players have said they wont accept a cap. Rumour Blogs have tried to imply they would. Some players obviously would. I guess we'll soon find out how many.

But the NHLPA have said they will accept a cap. Part of one of their offers was a cap if salaries got out of hand.

 

[WHARF1940]

Not to worry - we've got Daly and Saskin to put any potential flames of optimism:

"''I'm not sure there is any difference of opinion,'' Daly told the Globe and Mail. ''I like to remain hopeful, but if the concepts we discussed with the NHLPA on Thursday night are not something that forms a basis for serious negotiations, I have to admit that I don't have much optimism that there will be hockey this year.''

''We are hoping to hear back from the union soon,'' Daly told TSN. We feel that what we laid out on Thursday night could form the basis of a new agreement. But I'm not sure the union shares that view.''

It doesn't.

"Bill knows that the concepts they discussed with us on Thursday would not form the basis for an agreement, so he should not be surprised that he hasn't heard from us," NHLPA senior director Ted Saskin said in a statement. "We were very clear on Thursday that we would not be negotiating over his proposed concepts.""

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Rehtoric, truth? Who in the hell knows anymore

pardon my french, but they are both full of spit!!!!

 

[GKJ]

So did this offer really happen?

 

[Egil]

So did this offer really happen?

Based on Burke's take, I would imagine that it did in fact happen, and was circulated to the 30 teams. Now, the league seems to be the side trying here, not the players, who just want to plug their ears and say NO NO NO!