GWT: PL FINALE - Matchweek 38

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  1. phisherman

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    Nope. That penalty miss.

    Emery did **** up with the rotation to go all in for the Europa though.
     
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    They’re up there for sure. I think 07 United and 04 Chelsea are better teams though.
     
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    One penalty miss vs taking only 1 point from 5 consecutive prem league games, ok sure

    Kinda nice to know that Lucas Moura is a Spur because Emery refused to play him @ PSG, best of luck in that Europa final
     
  4. Merya

    Merya Jokerit & Finland; anti-theist

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    Salah, whom Roma gladly sold for being a waste. And the others were world record breaking signs. Virgil and Alisson. With Virgil specifically asking for the move.
    Selling Coutinho to Barca for insane amount of money helped, but tho pool signings weren't cheap.
     
  5. YNWA14

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    I think it's really hard to argue that this City isn't the best team in PL history.
     
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  6. Merya

    Merya Jokerit & Finland; anti-theist

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    Weeeell... Maybe the previous season was the best in PL history?
     
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    LOL. Yeah, right. Anyway, really nice showing today.

    Oh yeah?
     
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    Nah Lucas moved from PSG because he'll always be a limited player due to his tunnel vision. He has amazing speed, is a decent passer and shooter. But withtout the IQ, he'll never be more than a depth player.
     
  9. Patriott

    Patriott This land is your land, this land is my land

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    Having 2 great teams is good for the league.
     
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    Do you mean in the 25 or whatever year history of the PL they’re the best English side, or they had the best English season in the last ~25 years? (Edit: If best season, domestic only or including continental?)

    I think those are different questions with different answers.
     
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    Yeah. Not really that hard to argue that they aren't the best team in PL history.

    They are the team that are most successful at beating the poorer teams though. I don't know why, but I do believe the condition of pitches play a role there. Even only 10 years ago playing away to teams like Burnley would mean good teams could not be expected to "play" football. Mourinho with his Chelsea partly set them up to win those kind of wars. Today most pitches are very good all year around in England everywhere.
     
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    I think they're the best side (these two seasons inclusive). The European stuff is tricky because over two legs any team can be upset, even if they outplay their opponent (last year Liverpool outplayed them, but they were better than Spurs for example and should have gone through and I really believe they'd have won the CL).

    Everyone focuses on trophies but domestic seasons require a higher level of consistency. They've still got a bunch of trophies on top of the title and have 198 points over 2 seasons and they won't be any weaker (if KdB is healthy maybe even better) next season. To me it's easy; they're the best PL team ever.
     
  13. Chimaera

    Chimaera same ol' Caps

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    They're certainly one of the best. Especially over the past two seasons.

    I don't know if they're all time best, but at least over the Premier League Era, they're probably in the discussion.

    They're just so consistent and have so much depth. They've also not really been at their peak pomp and power, largely due to the injuries they've weathered. I mean, they've been basically playing their third choice fullback for a while now, along with only having KdB and Fernadinho for some of the campaign. It's pretty disgusting when they can bring on Jesus and Sane for kicks in the second half most matches.

    Now, that said, they still need to cycle out some players. They went away from using Stones, Kompany's old, Aguero turns 31 this summer and he's never been Pep's favorite, and some of their longer term injury concerns need to be sorted out. For all their abilities, they do still use a lot of David Silva, who's also pretty old at this stage. They have the money, the time, and recruitment, where it won't be the biggest of issues, but there's just as much of a chance that they take a step back in getting in new blood.
     
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    They dropped 5 points total this season against the top 8 teams in England over 16 games. Last season they dropped 7. So just to be clear their point pace if you take out the "poorer teams" is higher. If that's the narrative you want to use that's fine, but in reality City are just the best team.
     
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    First of all my point was rather that very good teams back in the day, like Utd, Arsenal and Chelsea, had to go to these kind of pitches. When conditions are poor things get a bit more random.

    Spurs almost ended up third. I have watched more or less every single game Spurs have played for the last 10 years or so. This year Spurs were poor compared to the last couple of seasons. Considering Chelsea, Arsenal and Utd were as poor or even worse I'm not that surprised that at least City more or less steamrolled them. A bit of a fluke if you ask me. If City with this core go 100 points again next year I might reconsider.

    Not saying City aren't good. And Europa is not always a good way to measure things because over 2 legs a lot can happen, but I don't think it is a complete coincidence that City haven't gone past the QFs over the last two seasons. So to say that team is better than some of the Utd, Chelsea and Arsenal-teams over the last 15-20 years I don't think is a given at all. I personally don't think they are the best. Playing them you feel you got a chance. That wasn't always the case when playing the best.
     
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    Best season? Definitely. But I think if you put this team up against the two I mentioned 10, 50, 100 times that they don’t win the majority of those games. I think those two would fare better in fact. They’re absolutely up there with the best 3 teams of all time though.
     
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  17. New Jersey

    New Jersey trenton makes, the world takes

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    gutted? a bit.

    heartbroken? not at all.

    liverpool are amazing.
     
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    This City side is the best in PL history. After having 198 points the last two seasons, it is not much a debate either.
     
  19. Stray Wasp

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    Thank you.

    I'm days short of my fourth anniversary being a London resident. I'm in the south east of the city, so my nearest league team is, gasps, Millwall.
     
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    You make a really good point about playing surfaces.

    And since we're on the cusp of a winter break, weather-ruined pitches should diminish as a factor still further.
     
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    I found Arsenal as a five star team and I will support them for my entire life, even if they get relegated to EFL Two.

    I do feel for some of the smaller clubs though, like coming to the realisation that you're' a Bournemouth fan and knowing that you never have a chance of winning the EPL title.
     
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    Off topic but funny as hell

     
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    IU Hawks fan They call me IU

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    Huh?
     
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    robertmac43 Forever 43!

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    When I was traveling in the UK I stopped at the Den. Definitely an interesting footballing experience, just happy no riots were had ;)
     
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