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Subban, again, is not the type of droid Toronto is looking for.
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Subban, again, is not the type of droid Toronto is looking for.
He's "high risk" because his back is busted.
I'd be happy with a Lucic for Subban swap. We need to get rid of him, Ellis, Turris and our coaching staff ASAP.
...this might not be the best time to start negotiations.
i think i'm reading cap friendly wrong, something doesn't make sense. How are they fine?
Horton LTIR isnt taken into account.
Subban hardly ever rushes the puck now. At least not past center ice. But Babcock still won't like him because he still does have a penchant for bad decisions - and for whatever reason when he makes one, the conversion rate against us seems higher when he does it than when anybody else does. Like his pinch last night that cost the first goal against. The team gameplan was to activate D and pinch as much as possible, and numerous times D were caught low or didn't hold the line. But when Subban does it, it's in the net the other way.Subban isn't someone Babcock appreciates, he just doesn't like his rushing style similar to poorman Subban Petry, he even picked Weber over him for team Canada.
how and why would he take 10M when Matthews took 11.5MIf we sign Marner at let's say $10 m,
It was the same when he was in Montreal and would be the same if not worst in Toronto. He's just a polarizing player, you'll either love him or find reasonings to hate him and focus on all the wrongs he does.Subban hardly ever rushes the puck now. At least not past center ice. But Babcock still won't like him because he still does have a penchant for bad decisions - and for whatever reason when he makes one, the conversion rate against us seems higher when he does it than when anybody else does. Like his pinch last night that cost the first goal against. The team gameplan was to activate D and pinch as much as possible, and numerous times D were caught low or didn't hold the line. But when Subban does it, it's in the net the other way.
But yeah, the old school NHL coaches aren't going to be a good fit for Subban. He's had it pretty good I think with Laviolette, although despite that he seems to have become a more conservative player overall. I think he needs a younger and more liberal/progressive type of coach to really get the best out of him.
Marner is a great player but he is not worth anywhere near Matthews.how and why would he take 10M when Matthews took 11.5M
C'mon, you did the same thing with Nylander, MAtthews and now Marner.
Marner is worth more than Matthews BTW
Marner is a great player but he is not worth anywhere near Matthews.
Matthews is the much better goal scorer.
Plays the more important position.
And is simply better with a better all around game.
This series has put it all on display.
While marners line has gotten more attention (Bergeron), Marner has completely disappeared. Matthews has exploded.
Matthews has always been the one facing the tougher matchups and no one says boo and he still kept up statistically. Now, the tables turn and Marner is essentially a non factor.
If Marner waits out for Matthews money, we will have another Nylander situation on our hands.
Matthews is worth more.
It’s funny that only non leaf fans say this.I'm sorry bud, but if there's one thing this serie showed us is how great Marner is on 200 feet.... not Matthews.
Matthews is worth the same or less, but not more than Marner
Subban hardly ever rushes the puck now. At least not past center ice. But Babcock still won't like him because he still does have a penchant for bad decisions - and for whatever reason when he makes one, the conversion rate against us seems higher when he does it than when anybody else does. Like his pinch last night that cost the first goal against. The team gameplan was to activate D and pinch as much as possible, and numerous times D were caught low or didn't hold the line. But when Subban does it, it's in the net the other way.
But yeah, the old school NHL coaches aren't going to be a good fit for Subban. He's had it pretty good I think with Laviolette, although despite that he seems to have become a more conservative player overall. I think he needs a younger and more liberal/progressive type of coach to really get the best out of him.
I'm sorry bud, but if there's one thing this serie showed us is how great Marner is on 200 feet.... not Matthews.
Matthews is worth the same or less, but not more than Marner
how and why would he take 10M when Matthews took 11.5M
C'mon, you did the same thing with Nylander, MAtthews and now Marner.
Marner is worth more than Matthews BTW
Averaging 50 points over 82 games is not 'good offensive statistics'??Sorry.
Let me be more precise with the stats.
Pk Subban has 130 points over his last 211 games over the past 3 seasons.
These are not good statistics for an offensive defenceman making $9 million.
That's horrible value for Subban. Pretty much 2 cap dumps for themFabbro looks like he could step into a top4 role next season, so possibly paying a 3rd pair dman 4.5M a year for the next five years doesn't sound too attractive. I'd be alright Marleau since he's only got one year left in his contract, thought.
How do you guys feel about retaining on Zaitsev? I know that doesn't sound too attractive either, but perhaps something around retained Zaitsev and Marleau could be worked out? While we're high on Fabbro, he's not a lock for top4 position and Josi has a record for making 3rd liners look like top4 dmen, so we could start Zaitsev on 1st pair and eventually move him to 3rd pair if he didn't cost us 4.5m/yr
Subban (9m)
for
Marleau (6.25m)
Zaitsev (3m)
Does this make sense to Toronto fans as a base for the deal?
And to whoever said we are not interested in picks and prospects, I tend to disagree a little. A lot depends on free agency and if Duchene is still interested in playing for us, but if we after all manage to sign him (or another top6 forward), we should definitely look for futures in a possible Subban trade to replenish our weak prospect pool.
Yes, without the adds it is, I know. That's not what I'm asking.That's horrible value for Subban. Pretty much 2 cap dumps for them
50 points was good enough for laine. In his own words:Averaging 50 points over 82 games is not 'good offensive statistics'??
Yeah, but you can't take two cap dumps. It loses us any advantage in moving Subban if we just backfill his inflated contract with even worse ones. We might just as well keep playing Subban rather than take back lesser players we have to pay just as much.Yes, without the adds it is, I know. That's not what I'm asking.
I'd rather give subban more value by retaining on him. Maybe like Subban(retain 1.5 million) then his value goes way up. Subban for 7.5 cap hit is a good pick up. So maybe Subban(retain 1.5 million) for nylander Liljegren and a pick or maybe subban to flordia or Vegas. Subban with 7.5 cap hit would make him way more desirable and get a way better pieceYes, without the adds it is, I know. That's not what I'm asking.