Dreger: Pittsburgh will move a defenseman [SIKE! Bad reporting is the norm!)
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Khelandros
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Hold up one second. You have a Sabres logo as your avi and that is what you post in here? Need we remind you,
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the subject that 48 hours is long past due?
SotasicA
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How about that time MTV reported Rasmus Ristolainen is about to get traded.
Any.
Time.
Now.
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People need to stop trashing Johnson, he’s exactly as advertised. He’s been an awful player for several years, it’s not he just started to play crappy last season. Rutherford should be fired after the last 2 seasons.
The Penguins were able to turn Schultz and Daley’s careers around, and they became arrogant and assumed that they could fix any dman.
Jack Johnson, Matt Hunwick, Jamie Oleksiak, Erik Gundbranson and Jack Johnson all have proven you can’t polish turds. They haven’t turned a dmen’s career around in 4 years.
The Penguins were able to turn Schultz and Daley’s careers around, and they became arrogant and assumed that they could fix any dman.
Jack Johnson, Matt Hunwick, Jamie Oleksiak, Erik Gundbranson and Jack Johnson all have proven you can’t polish turds. They haven’t turned a dmen’s career around in 4 years.
Alberta_OReilly_Fan
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I find it hilarious how people get worried that a guy with an 8 year contract has any say in how long it will take the team to turn it around
sure... McDavid could stay home and throw his career away... that would suck for everyone including him... or… he could just pount and ruin his legacy by not playing well...
if he demands a trade... Edmonton would try to get value or they will keep him... simple as that. gretzky was 'sold' in the days peter puck was going bankrupt and wanted cash...
but when Lindros got traded... philly got bent over.
it might sound weird that the best player in hockey can be traded and the team trading the guy does just great... but the 2 most recent times the best player got traded it gave the team trading the guy exactly what they wanted
honestly most of these truely hall of fame players worry a lot about legacy. they will get their money so thats not a worry... but most of them want to do down in history as great people too. football might be different with its short contracts... and honestly basketball/baseball seem to have a huge drug culture... so who knows
but in hockey... the great superstars want to protect their reputations and demanding a trade just doesnt happen
stardog
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Uhhhh....yeah.
I just love the awesomeness of the advanced stats holy rollers. You can tell who they are. Such as those in the Penguins fan community who apparently are still seething at Erik Gudbranson for having the audacity to get traded here and rather than wait to see how he looked in a new environment, they knew the answer definitively through the clarity that is the magic metrics ball which told them everything that the player was, is, and will ever be.
So they don't bother to check up on the magic metrics ball now and again because what is the point? If numbers don't lie, imagine fancy numbers, and call them metrics rather than the same tired old word "numbers". And they come complete with graphical data that makes a pie chart look like it was held back in 6th grade so many times that it became the longest 4 years of its life.
They would then risk the threat of blown brain gaskets, head cramps and maybe gout (which we all know was brought to the NHL by Jack Johnson even if he doesn't own up to it of course) over how easy relativity and variable can influence those numbers. Which is a pretty uncomfortable scenario for those who treat those metrics as gospel, or who base every opinion and evaluation solely on the fancy stuff (even though they all deny it...usually followed by a picture perfect example of such in the very next sentence). Or at the very least, those who after interpreting the metrics incorrectly, still give far too much weight whatever outcome the metrics show and if it isn't the answer wanted, no worries. Don't fret. Because there are many other models which one can peruse through until finding stats to back up what one thinks that the metrics cult are telling them what their opinion should be.
For the record, I find metrics to be a powerful tool...provided with accurate context, well known or even acknowledgement of possible variation giving potential weight on the outcome, and used in conjunction with knowledge or influence that is void of data.
Unfortunately we get a chart or a number thrown up in a post and when reading it one can just imagine its author dropping a pretend mic once they hit "send".
And that opinion states that the final score shouldn't be based on silly and those outdated, barbaric measuring sticks such as actual goals, because we don't need to put in the entire effort of finishing when all we have to do is assume and pretend they'll be scored based off of possession. Whichever team has the greater gap in Corsi for vs against, and after accumulation of such a sum with both individual player and overall team data is accounted then compiled, this is your winner. It gives us a far more accurate gauge on which team actually DESERVES to win and nullifies those teams which are less talented yet more lucky. Because actual production apparently doesn't mean as much as possession.
And that opinion has Dom Simon leaving training camp for a few days rather than Crosby so that he can have his jersey retired. Ironically, the number 12 which with the 8 goals he sniped last season (a good deal of which was spent in the top 6 creating scoring chances for some guys named Sid and Geno) brings his career goal total to be the same as his jersey number.
And that same opinion is that of the ones who were obnoxiously over the top with the
Erik Gudbranson bashfest when he was acquired, and so definitive in their statements as to the impending disaster that his play will be to the point of arguing as if these were facts and that they had already occured so why give it even a hint of a look before forming an opinion? I mean the data was right there for the world to see and long ago, words like relativity or variables were deemed unnecessary and forthwith banished.
Point?
Two actually. Quite a bit of assumption involved on the value needed for a sweetener and said value is given in through very black and white lenses. Yet there's several variables which affect the potential outcome. All of which have been mentioned by various people in this thread.
Only to get ignored by many more.
Second point.
Can't stand it when the two of them, JJ& EG, are lumped together and given the same analysis or negativity. Because the statement,
"Jack Johnson, Matt Hunwick, Jamie Oleksiak, Erik Gundbranson and Jack Johnson all have proven you can’t polish turds" is lazy, ignorant and wrong. Never mind the fact that so intent is the focus on Jack Johnson, he is mentioned twice. As a Pens fan, one Jack is far more than I ever wanted so the nightmare of having possibly two of them, and those two as a defensive pairing is enough to rid one of the possibility of a peaceful nights rest...like, as in, forever.
Because yeah, EG fully sucked in Vancouver, and he could fully suck the rest of this year and the rest of his career.
But guess what? That hasn't been close to accurate and he deserves credit for it rather than the overwhelming negativity which this, and almost every fan base projected on his time in Pittsburgh before even getting a glimpse of it. So to continue the negativity, when he already received his fair share from Pens fans before even doing anything here that would warrant such says more about the people who are complaining.
He has been the opposite. Meaning that he has not come close to being the doom and gloom that Jack Johnson actually is. And he SHOULD have shut a helluva lot of people up but complainers gonna complain.
So yeah, again, lots of time for him to revert to Vancouver EG. But judge his play in Pitt based off his time in Pitt.
As far as the Johnson trade? I'm glad most of you aren't the Pens GM. One or two logical voices have explained the perfect answer in between the 95% of people saying that there must be a sweetener added, the value of such, followed by escalating value by Pens fans, whom, some of are willing to give up first round picks or one of the very few real prospects which we finally have more than one or two of.
Whereas the logical and rational folks have explained the idiocy of such thinking when you can bury dude in the minors, remove around half of his salary and get to keep your assets. You then deal with it again next summer where the cap likely goes higher, a buyout is less, it's a year shorter and the league variables change to possibly be less stringent than forcing an unnecessary deal while you have a stranglehold on the deal from position of weakness label.
Then again, there isn't a lot of rationale happening when it comes to JJ. Yeah he sucks, but the obsession with him is...well, irrational. At least HFBoards isn't like what Pensblog has spiraled into. I swear those guys are so obsessed with Johnson that one day we'll find one of the writers owning a life sized JJ doll carefully crafted out of the discarded or broken toenails from Johnson and obtained in the patient yet stealthy manner of crazy that only the truly dedicated stalker ever achieves.
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Mick Jagr
Nice guy, tries hard, loves the game.
Bury him in the AHL the rest of the year, expose him in expansion draft, buy him out when he doesn't get claimed. Done and done.
Big McLargehuge
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Exactly what the Habs will do with Alzer. At some point you have to own your mistakes.
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You think no one would claim Letang, Dumoulin, Schultz, or Pettersson? Yeah, ok then.
He has all the say, because when you are Mcdavid, Matthews, Eichel plasyers of that caliber it doesn't matter what your contract says if you want out you can get out the only thing the contract does is ensure you get paid, beyond that contracts don't mean shit
therealkoho
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Dreger with Rutherford's blessing furiously working the phone desperately trying to arrange the trade
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