Discussion in 'Pittsburgh Penguins' started by Randy Butternubs, Feb 22, 2021.
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I think all of Lafferty, Archibald and Tanev are more or less the same kind of player, just with varying skill levels. Archibald would be a nice addition, but I'd aim for higher than that personally. I'd want to get another guy on par with Tanev, who's a 3rd line grinder while Archibald is probably a fringe 3rd/4th line grinder. He's the exact kind of player I want to add for that 4th line.
What sucks is that I thought Sceviour was supposed to be that kind of player, but he has just been so bland for the Penguins.
I’m just gonna move my comment over here;
I think they need someone that can hold the puck and make their own space / draw attention away. Dump and chase puck retrievers are nice and all, but a guy that can actually hang onto the puck and open up some space would be nice.
Kap has that ability and has shown it in flashes. I just think his mindset is so geared towards being a bottom 6 forward anymore that he doesn’t try it consistently.
Scevior was that kind of player but once you hit early 30s sometimes these guys mellow out and become bland.
Zucker + something for Forsberg, pick up a vet 4C at the deadline.
But I'll make the trade even more appealing - despite being an RH shot, Forsberg is a LW. You don't have to rearrange the Pens line-up for him, just plug him into Zucker's current spot on Malkin's LW.
That one move makes us a much better team at ES and on the PP.
I think the top 6 personnel is fine. They're just not clicking like we hoped. Getting a middle six winger than can play both wings would be nice.
Line three is also fine. Hopefully they/ZAR keeps scoring goals.
The fourth line is just bland. Like a few have been mentioning, get the team a shift disturber for that line. I'd also like a right handed center, but perhaps EROD can fill that role.
I'm not sure what Buffalo would want for Lazar, but that's a guy who I think would fit well here.
He plays bigger than he is, decent at faceoffs. I also think Cousins would be a good addition. We need someone like that honestly.
Cozens or Cousins?
Viktor Arvidsson is ice cold in Nashville. How much to get him while he is rock bottom?
I feel like Nashville will go for a retool/rebuild if/when they start selling off players, so I find it very unlikely that the Penguins can get any of their big name top-6 forwards. They just don't have the assets to pull that off.
Nashville probably won't do Zucker+ for Forsberg or Arvidsson. They're going to want something like Poulin and a 1st+, and the Penguins really shouldn't be hemorrhaging more futures assets.
Sceviour plus a late round pick for Cousins, McCann for Bennett, then find a way to pry Hartman out of Min, and run a Cousins - Bennett - Hartman line, would at least have some jam, and be anoying as hell to play against.
@Empoleon8771 , Arvidsson is one thing, Forsberg quite another, IMO.
I would much rather keep Zucker and find other avenues to get what they need. You're not really creating depth if you are trading one for one swap out.
Though, a McCann, Dumoulin, Lafferty and Poulin for Forsberg & Haula is really enticing.
Guentzel, Crosby, Kapanen
Forsberg, Malkin, Rust
Zucker, Haula, Jankowski
ZAR, Blueger, Tanev
Guess who never has to take another PK defensive zone faceoff again?
Yeah if I’m Nashville Arvidsson is expendable, Forsberg isn’t. They can probably get some team to overpay for Arvidsson anyways.
Would we have to convince Zucker to waive his NTC again, in order to shop him? If so, that's going to greatly reduce our ability to move him, barring making his life so miserable he wants out for whomever.
If we are doing fantasy lineups why do I still see Jankowski’s name
Perhaps I'm mistaken, but I think the Pens can choose to not honor that NTC since he's already been traded.
I only think he has like a 10 team NTC so I don't think moving him would be that difficult.
The concept still applies IMO. The Penguins really shouldn't be spending more future assets for a top-6 winger and that's what Nashville would want for that.
No he's not, neither really are, but Arvidson is already signed to a great deal. They'd probably get equal value for either taking their current contracts age and such into considerations. Does Forsberg even want to re-sign there considering he's only got one more left after this?
Its 10 teams so 20 he can go too. Did it come out where those teams are?
Circling away from Forsberg and back to Cousins for a bit-- I find it odd that this team has moved so far away from garden variety "finish your checks" physicality that was a hallmark of the early Sullivan teams. Part of that, I think, is the emphasis on guys who just chase the puck, but do little else. But it's doubly crazy to me because Sid and Geno also seem to thrive on teams with guys who are not necessarily enforcers (though we know Sid's liking for them), but able to dish out and take some punishment legally or not.
We don't have to turn into the Broad Street Bullies, but finishing our checks and playing with a bit of an edge would go a long way to making this team more like the Cup teams, without even making moves.
I forget this every time it comes up
How's getting rid of him prudent?
Much in the sense of like when it was Bonino, Fehr & Cullen you have Haula, TB & Jankowski.
You are not going to get much for him in any trade and it's silly to just add him to a trade for the hell of it.
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