Discussion in 'Pittsburgh Penguins' started by BHD, Sep 3, 2019.
Pls trade JJ
So who was that idiot that told me (not you) that they'd get him here before camp.
This team is idiotic with the fact that JJ is still here. Get the **** out of here already JJ.
Bold 1: You need to make up your mind. What advantage is it to JR to advertise to all that he must make a move and that he wants to do it quickly? I mean think about it. All that does is up the price on whatever he's trying to do.
Bold 2: Or perhaps, just perhaps he found out what the cost was and decided that there was no reason to pay that price in July or August when he still had 2 months to try and find other options. I mean if someone is going to haul you over the coals, there's no reason to jump at that price when it'll still be there in 2 months. You spend those 2 months trying to find another option. Especially when there's ways to get MP signed without making a move. Eventually we'll still have to make one, but if there's options that don't require it, that only increases the leverage JR has to get a better deal on whomever he moves.
Has camp started yet? We still have 10 days before it starts. Lots of time to sign him to a deal and for him to get his visa and get to town. Especially when the hold up isn't his contract.
At least we already have Jake signed. Way to go GMJR.
The deadline for a RFA to sign is December 1st, and there is an impact if he signs later in the season. However, it makes no difference if he signs in July or if he signs in September from a cap perspective. Pettersson is coming to training camp, so I think the chances that he isn't signed by opening night are basically zero.
I have a feeling it'll be within the next three days.
I don't get how anyone can look at the NHL as a league this off-season, at all the insider reports of a sluggish market and teams determined to leverage their cap space in trades, at all the free agents still unsigned, and can think that there's anything guaranteed for a GM looking for fair value in terms of moving cap. Its not like we're the only team out there that'd prefer to move cap - either every GM is not trying, or Rutherford is capable of walking on water when everyone else must swim. Neither seems likely.
That's a potentially big advantage right now, particularly considering what he signed for.
Sounds like Sid and Geno don't care and have mailed it in already.
Where are their intangibles..
Good mix. Letang to teach offense. DeSmith to teach never giving up on your dream. Horny and Rust to teach how being tough can get you a big paycheck that you can rest on.
AZ about to sign Clayton Keller for 8 yr and 7.15 AAV. I like Keller but good lawd that makes Jake's deal look all that much better.
Yes, I know it's completely different optics for a team like AZ vs a team like PIT but my point stands.
To be honest, that seems like a really nice deal for the Yotes given the RFA landscape right now, especially since Keller is a year out.
It's completely reaching on my part, but Rust being one of the first guys at camp makes me think that he's not likely to move. If he was a serious trade candidate, I feel like the Penguins would have told him that, no?
It's also possible that he (Rust) doesn't want to be traded, knows the organization is considering it, and is trying to show he's committed to having a better year?
Yohe seems to think that the Penguins are actually cap compliant right now, so they could hypothetically not make any trades before the season opens. I may check the numbers to see if Pettersson on a $1 million deal allows the Penguins to be cap compliant with a 22 man roster, something like that would probably be the plan I imagine.
It could be an okay deal if Keller is his 17-18 version. If he is his 18-19 version it's....less so. And again, so much of it is optics for a historically bad team. He was so popular in his rookie year that you have to keep him if you want to bolster the PR gain you got from going out to get Phil.
I’ve been saying this since July...just don’t think there’ll be many trades for awhile given everyone’s cap situation, RFAs etc...JR can spin it how he likes...
I actually looked at the numbers, JR isn't wrong that the Penguins can be cap compliant with a 22 man roster. I calculated almost exactly $80 million for 13 forwards, 6 D (Riikola in the minors) and 2 goalies, so you could be cap compliant with Pettersson on a Lebanc style, $1 million contract. With Pettersson at $1 million, the Penguins have $390k in cap space with this lineup:
Swapping in Riikola for Ruhwedel takes that down to $240k.
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