Salary Cap: Pittsburgh Penguins Salary Cap Thread - Is one moon enough

[Dipsy Doodle]

Non-playoff teams will see no value in an unsigned Galchenyuk that they’ll have to flip again in 8 weeks or watch walk in July. The only way they’ll want him is if they can talk to his agent first and agree on a deal at least in principle, or if they’re thoroughly convinced they can increase his value by mid-Feb.

Likewise playoff teams aren’t going to be interested in bolstering their roster with a guy that (currently) can’t score or defend.

So I think the only options are one-for-one swaps with equally flawed ( or worse) UFAs or maybe letting Gooch’s agent talk to other teams ahead of time to work out an extension. Or just for a pick but it won’t be higher than a 3rd since, again, he’s a dice roll in both short term contributions and staying long-term.

Then again, look what we got for Brassard and Sheahan.

 

[Andy99]

Our best trade for Gally for a player on a team that might be sellers is AA...he fits our style better than Gally...Frolik, even if available, is slow, as is Toffoli, as is Vesey...we need quick players who can finish ideally to take advantage of playing in the top 6...

 

[JTG]

I think there is a larger deal out there where we can do exactly what we did last year with Bjugstad and McCann. There is some team that will like Galchenyuk's potential. There will be some team that likes Bjugstad's potential and the fact he is locked up at a good number. There is a hockey move out there that can add speed and physicality.

 

[Empoleon8771]

I honestly don't see a point in trying to do another Bjugstad and McCann type of trade. The Penguins forward group is really good already, they'd be completely fine with just not having Galchenyuk and Bjugstad. I don't see what guys like Frolik or Vesey do for them compared to just letting them walk or trading them for prospects.

The only thing your forward needs for the long run is either a scoring top-6 winger or a 3C, depending on where you want to play McCann. If they don't get rid of Bjugstad, they don't really need any forward help in the long run.

 

[CheckingLineCenter]

I honestly don't see a point in trying to do another Bjugstad and McCann type of trade. The Penguins forward group is really good already, they'd be completely fine with just not having Galchenyuk and Bjugstad. I don't see what guys like Frolik or Vesey do for them compared to just letting them walk or trading them for prospects.

The only thing your forward needs for the long run is either a scoring top-6 winger or a 3C, depending on where you want to play McCann. If they don't get rid of Bjugstad, they don't really need any forward help in the long run.

I get what you’re saying but it’s almost impossible to make that decision if you don’t know what the futures are. Would definitely prefer 25 games of Frolik to a 3rd or 4th or fringe prospect.

I really don’t know what those guys would fetch though, current player or future. Hard to get a read.

 

[Empoleon8771]

I get what you’re saying but it’s almost impossible to make that decision if you don’t know what the futures are. Would definitely prefer 25 games of Frolik to a 3rd or 4th or fringe prospect.

Based on past trades, I honestly don't see a way that Galchenyuk brings back less than a 2nd or a 2nd and a prospect.

 

[CheckingLineCenter]

Based on past trades, I honestly don't see a way that Galchenyuk brings back less than a 2nd or a 2nd and a prospect.

ya I honestly don’t have a take on his value in terms of picks/prospects. Just no idea.

Maybe we see him flipped for assets and find out, but if I was betting on it I think he goes for another player.

 

[Dipsy Doodle]

I honestly don't see a point in trying to do another Bjugstad and McCann type of trade. The Penguins forward group is really good already, they'd be completely fine with just not having Galchenyuk and Bjugstad. I don't see what guys like Frolik or Vesey do for them compared to just letting them walk or trading them for prospects.

The only thing your forward needs for the long run is either a scoring top-6 winger or a 3C, depending on where you want to play McCann. If they don't get rid of Bjugstad, they don't really need any forward help in the long run.

Yeah, we'd be just fine letting Gooch go.

...but I will do McCann deals every day of the week.

 

[Peat]

I think people are underestimating Galchenyuks likely value. He's still productive and there's a few potential playoff teams who lack scoring depth. Not an outstanding forward rental pool either.

 

[The Old Master]

I think people are underestimating Galchenyuks likely value. He's still productive and there's a few potential playoff teams who lack scoring depth. Not an outstanding forward rental pool either.

if he could only start putting a few more in.

 

[Gurglesons]

if he could only start putting a few more in.

If he does in his current role he’s probably better off keeping. A lot of people seem okay with moving him without realizing management is effectively saying ZAR is more of a NHLer than Chucky.

 

[BlindWillyMcHurt]

If he does in his current role he’s probably better off keeping. A lot of people seem okay with moving him without realizing management is effectively saying ZAR is more of a NHLer than Chucky.

I think most of us are just kind of resigned to this team's ZAR obsession. Could always be worse, I suppose. Gladams was a thing I remember, after all.

 

[chethejet]

Galchenyuk has value. He is still young has offense skills and maybe just the injuries are keeping him form a more stable line. See when Sid is back hopefully in Jan where he fits. Pens to me need to see what Bjugstad can bring as well. TDL and Pens will make a move based on injuries and or upgrades. Petts has not been as good so far but he is a D man and has upside.

 

[3074326]

I think people are underestimating Galchenyuks likely value. He's still productive and there's a few potential playoff teams who lack scoring depth. Not an outstanding forward rental pool either.

Well, I'm still waiting to see that production. I've been pretty disappointed with him this season, but I have not been able to watch nearly as much as usual.

 

[The Old Master]

If he does in his current role he’s probably better off keeping. A lot of people seem okay with moving him without realizing management is effectively saying ZAR is more of a NHLer than Chucky.

i would hope it would be because we could get a better return for chucky, and not saying zar is a better player.

 

[Speaking Moistly]

I think people are underestimating Galchenyuks likely value. He's still productive and there's a few potential playoff teams who lack scoring depth. Not an outstanding forward rental pool either.

Yeah. Struggling, groin injury, new team, moved around a lot on now on L4. 10 points in 21 games. It’s not a situation where he’s done absolutely nothing, and he’s still young with a history of production. I wouldn’t expect a haul but it’s not Galchenyuk for a 7th and JR happily takes it for the cap space.


It would be cool if Montreal would give us Drouin for Galchenyuk and Johnson. Very nice of them.

 

[Andy99]

Well, I'm still waiting to see that production. I've been pretty disappointed with him this season, but I have not been able to watch nearly as much as usual.

it’s hard to get that production getting 8 min on L4...I mean it’s a chicken and egg problem, but I would like to see him getting more time on L2 while Sid and Horny are still out...if nothing else to increase his trade value but I don’t see the point in playing a player like him withLafferty and Noesen...
Jake-G-Rust
Gally-McCann-Kahun/Tanev
ZAR-Blueger-Kahun/Tanev
Simon-Lafferty-Noesen

 

[BlindWillyMcHurt]

I've been pretty underwhelmed with Gooch but man... it's not such a simple issue. Injuries, playing time, fitting in and the fact that he's obviously a bit of a slow learner all factor in.

He isn't "useless" he's just not working out here so far. I can very much see a future where he's playing somewhere else and at least putting up respectable offensive numbers. But it's clear he's being asked to do things a certain way here (which I'm not complaining about... to be expected on a team emphasizing structure and discipline this year) and it's not lining up with his strong suits. Put him in a different system with a different coach with different expectations and things could very well be different for him.

 

[Coastal Kev]

Our best trade for Gally for a player on a team that might be sellers is AA...he fits our style better than Gally...Frolik, even if available, is slow, as is Toffoli, as is Vesey...we need quick players who can finish ideally to take advantage of playing in the top 6...

Would Minny be interested for Zucker with a sweetner?

 

[Turin]

Galchenyuk, Schultz, Bjugstad, 1st, 2nd for Toffoli, Doughty.

Guentzel-Crosby-Rust
Kahun-Malkin-Toffoli
Tanev-McCann-Hornqvist
Simon-Bleuger-Lafferty

Dumoulin-Letang
Pettersson-Doughty
Johnson-Marino

Who’s with me

 

[BlindWillyMcHurt]

Not me. Poor Malkin.

 

[Darren McCord]

I honestly don't see a point in trying to do another Bjugstad and McCann type of trade. The Penguins forward group is really good already, they'd be completely fine with just not having Galchenyuk and Bjugstad. I don't see what guys like Frolik or Vesey do for them compared to just letting them walk or trading them for prospects.

The only thing your forward needs for the long run is either a scoring top-6 winger or a 3C, depending on where you want to play McCann. If they don't get rid of Bjugstad, they don't really need any forward help in the long run.

I dont agree with this at all. Who is you lineup without Gally and Bjugstad? We need forward help come playoffs. They absolutely need another top 6 winger or 3C before playoffs. The depth guys we have are not enough to withstand injuries come playoffs. The past two playoffs this was a big issue.

Half the lineup is completely unknown or sucks come playoffs.

Simon 12 GP 0g 4a 4pts
Zar 13GP 0g 1a 1pt
TB 1 GP opts (Unproven in PO)
McCann 3gp 0g 1a 1pt (Unproven in PO)
Lafferty No playoff Exp
Kahun No playoff Exp

 

[Andy99]

Would Minny be interested for Zucker with a sweetner?

probably not...they’re in a PO spot position and Zucker has been way better..

 

[Tom Hanks]

If he does in his current role he’s probably better off keeping. A lot of people seem okay with moving him without realizing management is effectively saying ZAR is more of a NHLer than Chucky.

L4 has a specific purpose though and with Sid out (and a lesser extent Horny/Bjugstad). L3 is pretty much a Franken-line of whatever’s left over

 

[Tom Hanks]

Galchenyuk, Schultz, Bjugstad, 1st, 2nd for Toffoli, Doughty.

Guentzel-Crosby-Rust
Kahun-Malkin-Toffoli
Tanev-McCann-Hornqvist
Simon-Bleuger-Lafferty

Dumoulin-Letang
Pettersson-Doughty
Johnson-Marino

Who’s with me

Did Doughty become good again this season? Certainly hasn’t been worth his contract. I haven’t looked him up this season.