Salary Cap: Pittsburgh Penguins Salary Cap Thread: FA Begins & So Does Fleury Watch
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Empoleon8771
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It's worth pointing out that the most common linemates for Jankowski in 2018-2019 were Neal, Bennett, Hathaway, Czarnik and Mangiapane. He had 14 goals and 32 points in 79 games while playing with that at ES. Bennett was probably the best offensive player of that group, and he hasn't even hit 30 points in a year since 2015-2016.
Like I was saying in the other thread, I really don't see why 2018-2019 Jankowski in Bonino's usage can't match what Bonino did in Pittsburgh. Bonino put up 25 ES points over a season when he mostly played with Kessel. In his entire time in Pittsburgh, he averaged 29 ES points per 82 games, a big chunk of which Kessel was involved in. There really isn't a high bar here for Jankowski to meet what Bonino did.
Jankowski did have a terrible year last year, but when you're playing with guys like Bennett, Frolik, Rieder, Lucic and Rinaldo as your most common linemates in 4th line mop up duty, what do you expect? It's a very similar situation to Riley Sheahan in 2016-2017.
Like I was saying in the other thread, I really don't see why 2018-2019 Jankowski in Bonino's usage can't match what Bonino did in Pittsburgh. Bonino put up 25 ES points over a season when he mostly played with Kessel. In his entire time in Pittsburgh, he averaged 29 ES points per 82 games, a big chunk of which Kessel was involved in. There really isn't a high bar here for Jankowski to meet what Bonino did.
Jankowski did have a terrible year last year, but when you're playing with guys like Bennett, Frolik, Rieder, Lucic and Rinaldo as your most common linemates in 4th line mop up duty, what do you expect? It's a very similar situation to Riley Sheahan in 2016-2017.
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Should:
- Matheson have success here
- 3C still be a need for the Pens
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If you catch that gif at the end, it looks like MAF is hastily eating his own boogers on the bench.
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Good, the Penguins got their 3rd goalie with Lagace. Assuming they don't make any other moves with goalies, I'm fine with what they have for now.
Don't think this gets the Penguins in the clear with MAF, though. I think a Fleury trade would probably involve DeSmith going out.
Don't think this gets the Penguins in the clear with MAF, though. I think a Fleury trade would probably involve DeSmith going out.
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I think at this point Vegas would call that a win.
Now they just need a sucker.
*whistles innocently*
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We have about 2.3M cap space. I do not think we can afford to be that sucker. Let's say DeSmith goes the other way. It would work, but it would be rather tight... and we still need to improve our 3rd RD, IMO.
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Moving DeSmith out, putting ZAR on LTIR and Fleury at 50% leaves us a bit of cushion from what I see.
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Probably even more than that, they probably need to get a third team involved and Vegas probably needs to eat a little bit. Something like Vegas eats $1 million and another team eats $3 million to get Fleury down to $3 million, which is probably doable for the Penguins with sending DeSmith out.
What's funny about Vegas' current situation is that they may have to do this regardless of who is trading for Fleury. The 2 easiest Fleury trades were Minnesota and New Jersey, and both of those teams got their goalies yesterday.
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If his production is supposedly dragged down by his linemates, I expect him to be outproducing them.
Jankowski did not outpace any of them, including Lucic and Rinaldo. One could more justifiably make the argument that he's bringing his linemates production down.
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I sure hope you're right. But it has all the makings of a Penguins wet dream.
Think of the puff pieces, Scandale! Think of the hilarious articles from the official site about the latest Fleury prank on the boys! Think of the Facebook click bonanza!
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I meant Jankowski was having a terrible year, but he was also playing with terrible linemates which made his bad year worse.
He unarguably had a terrible year last year, if he didn't he wouldn't have signed for league minimum. He had a bad year and he was getting no help from his linemates, because he was only playing with washed up players or grinders.
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It’s not really about getting MAF back (at least in my eyes) it’s about getting a 1st, top prospect, or more for taking him on. If JR can make it work, he should.
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I think that's how one could justify using him in a 4th line role. JR penciling in Jank and Erod on the 3rd line is lunacy.
Our bottom 6 scoring, if we don't add anyone before the season, is a total mess. Arguably the worst in the league.
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Wouldn't we be counting on more or less every single "sexy" 3C target to overcome some kind of hurdle, anyway? Just for a hell of a lot more money?
Is it such an insane idea to ask the same from Jankowski? Like... Huala is an example. Amazing player uh... that one year! Lots of injuries and uncertainty since. And yet I'd wager most everyone would be nodding their heads in a satisfied manner were he signed. Jankowski (and Erod for that matter) have both shown they can be productive players (at least for our needs) in the recent past but somehow that's irrelevant to their chances of finding a 20-40 point level again? And for league minimum?
Help me understand.
Is it such an insane idea to ask the same from Jankowski? Like... Huala is an example. Amazing player uh... that one year! Lots of injuries and uncertainty since. And yet I'd wager most everyone would be nodding their heads in a satisfied manner were he signed. Jankowski (and Erod for that matter) have both shown they can be productive players (at least for our needs) in the recent past but somehow that's irrelevant to their chances of finding a 20-40 point level again? And for league minimum?
Help me understand.
I still wouldn't want Fleury at $3.5. I think Fleury would be a nice veteran goalie to have instead of DeSmith but for more like $1.5 million. So Vegas would have to have a very nice add to that deal to make me interested. I don't think they have that. For example if they had the perfect RD I would trade Pettersson and DeSmith for Fleury and that really good RD. I rather have POJ as the starting LD than Ruhwedel as the starting RD. Unfortunately I don't see a good fit. Vegas literally has all left shot defenseman. Some may play RD but like I said no perfect fit.
Of the UFA's on the market still. Could we get someone to sign a one year $2 million deal that would be a huge upgrade? With most teams cap strapped I think it could be done. Someone like Harmonic who then has a good year and then when the league has better financials he could cash in on a longer term deal someplace if not with us. Any thoughts on someone we could get for that kind of cap that would be a nice improvement over Ruhwedel?
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The third team retaining on MAF would be getting the asset. We'd be trading some low pick for him.
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You really need to get out more
I really believe that 95% of fans who made comments like these don't actually pay attention to the statuses of other teams.
I don't think the Penguins would be getting that for Fleury. I think whoever would be eating half of his salary for Vegas would be getting that.
Well DeSmith, but yeah you're right.
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