Salary Cap: Pittsburgh Penguins Salary Cap Thread: A New Error?

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  1. mpp9 Registered User

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    I don't have a problem with his production. I have a problem that he doesn't seem to fit where we need him to fit. And that's not really on him. Maybe he's just a bad fit.
     
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    I don’t know if you guys can get this in PA, but you really need to try Bell’s Hopslam:

    Hopslam Ale
     
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    Okay, then he's got a ways to go to catch up with Mike Sillinger. :laugh:
     
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    On a different line . . . sure.

    Unless you know of a good Malkin line ever that didn't show instant chemistry and corresponding results.
     
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    He would fit with Crosby. But we need Jake there at this point.

    If/when Sid & Jake slow down then make the swap.
     
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    I really try to like Zucker, I was even screaming for the Pens to trade for him because I thought he’d slot in perfectly, but he doesn’t fit at all. Zero chemistry. Looks lost out there. Terrible defensive plays. I’ll eat crow on that one.
     
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    They never really do though
     
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    Malkin won the Hart, Pearson and Ross with Neal on his wing in 2011-12.

    Sykora, Malone, Fedotenko - all had negative possession numbers and xGF% with Malkin. They did worse than Kessel did with him.

    Neal did not. Jokinen did not. Kunitz did not.

    Malkin's best possession, production, and expected goals all came with Neal on his wing.
     
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    You're part of the like 10% of this board who is willing to change their mind on a player and doesn't simply keep a laundry list of "player grudges" against other posters that they wield like a cudgel when their guy has a good game or the other poster's guy has a bad game.

    Kudos to you.

    Now someone queue up these Mike Matheson lowlights please! He was too good yesterday and the cognitive dissonance is killing me.
     
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    If we don't need the cap or trade asset, I'd like to keep him. He's a good player and can play up and down the line up. Lot's of variables but it could work well.
     
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    We're going in circles. All of the data shows Zucker is better with Malkin than Crosby, and that Guentzel is better with Sid than Geno (even as good as 59-71-17 was last year).
     
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    Who was on Malkin's other wing in 2011-2012?

    Kunitz was the partner. Neal was the passenger.

    That said, your characterization of Neal as a partner and assumption that there's ever been a good Malkin line that didn't show instant chemistry does give me insight to your perspective on this subject, so best that we just agree to disagree and call it a day.
     
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    To be fair, you can’t use the possession numbers of a Michel Therrien team to speak to anything besides Therrien.
     
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    That's nice.

    Malkin's production is shit with Zucker.

    Who cares if Zucker plays with Sid or the ******* dog catcher.

    Just don't play him with Malkin.
     
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    Without looking it up I imagine Hagelin and Malkin's fancy stats were really good (mainly the GF% numbers & GF, GA rates per 60)
     
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    I had to miss Thursday game and watched yesterday away from this board.

    Then I log in and was surprised to see everyone is rushing to move Zucker.

    I think he’s been consistently noticeable. The offensive part of the game for the line can look disjointed but Zucker seems to be working hard and around the puck more than a lot of Fs on this team.
     
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    I'm not sure fairness is something one can expect where it's being suggested that L2 LW be based on someone belonging there because meh analytics and not what's best for Malkin.

    EDIT: Your mentioning Therrien is appropriate. That guy didn't care who you were and where you quote unquote belonged. If it wasn't happening for Malkin, he'd shuffle the deck, even in the most unorthodox ways, because he understood that L2 lived and died with Malkin, not some guy who 'belongs' in the top 6.
     
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    The only reason I’m not 100% against Zucker at this point is because he hasn’t had a steady assignment nor a complete season. I’m still willing to give him a chance, but he rarely even shows flashes of brilliance. Maybe it’s difficult playing with Malkin and it takes more time than normal (like Crosby), who knows.
     
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    I honestly think Zucker has been worse than Geno this year...for everyone shitting on G, Zucker hasn’t done anything well...if you’re snakebit scoring, and you can’t play make, at least use your hustle and forecheck and back check hard and try to get the puck back...he doesn’t even do that...so dull and passive
     
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    Other players have reported that Malkin is much easier to play with than Sid because he’s more adaptable to the winger’s play
     
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    I don't know. Jesse suggested otherwise today about Zucker.

    So, keep playing him with Malkin then, because even though it hasn't worked, has shown no potential to work, and won't work, it still could work, even though there's never been a good Malkin line that didn't show immediate chemistry?

    I think that's why people are talking trade. He's only useful for Sid when Jake is hurt. BART is set. Taking him off L2 would be addition by subtraction. Ergo, 4th line or trade chip along with one of Dumo/Pets to augment the mix on L2, address goaltending (if need be), and tweak the other line in the bottom 6.

    I mean, it's feasible to make 1 move . . . one of Dumo or Pets for a L2 LW, in which case Zucker-McCann could be 2/3 of a nice line.

    That said, if the only options are Zucker on L2 LW or Zucker traded, the latter is clearly preferable.
     
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    I think it's more so on our line up situation at the moment. The 'x' stats don't look good for the line so while it's ok right now (and we don't have a lot of good options at the moment).

    If say we moved Dumo for a LW for L2 we could have:

    Jake-Sid-Rust / Trade-Malkin-Kapanen
    Zucker-McCann-Sceviour / ZAR-Blueger-Tanev

    It'd be cap compliant and good forward depth for the eventual injuries.
     
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    Bylsma still owes him a round for that cup he gifted him.
     
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    I had thought I could be biased against Zucker in this one, but when Jesse basically says the guy is invisible, it confirms my thought that Zucker off L2 is addition by subtraction.
     
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