TheOtherOne
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It just pisses me off, going to a Red Wings fan forum and seeing everyone is upset that we beat the pants off Crosby and Co.
The league needs to fix that.
The league needs to fix that.
Any ideas?It just pisses me off, going to a Red Wings fan forum and seeing everyone is upset that we beat the pants off Crosby and Co.
The league needs to fix that.
It just pisses me off, going to a Red Wings fan forum and seeing everyone is upset that we beat the pants off Crosby and Co.
The league needs to fix that.
What else do you want the league to do?
They've already made finishing last a crapshoot.
They've already made the lottery open to 14 ****ing teams.
Personally, I'd love to make it open to 31 teams.
Team ----- ---- Balls in the lottery
Cup champ -- 1 = 0.08 percent
Finals loser -- 2
Semifinalist loser -- 3
Quarterfinalist loser - 4
First round loser - 5 - 0.4%
17th - 10 0.8% vs 1% today
18th - 20
19th - 30
20th - 40
21st - 50
22nd - 60
23rd -- 70
24th - 80
25th - 90
26th - 100 - 8.4%
27th - 110
28th - 120
29th - 130 - 11 %
30th - 140 - 11.8%
31st - 150 - 12.7% vs 18.5% today
Here's the sad truth, for you. Tanking is a way to control your destiny. And weakening a team's ability to tank effectively makes it harder for a team to get better.
Back in 03-04, an aging capitals team traded away Lang, Gonchar, Jagr, Bondra, Nylander, Konowalchuk and Battaglia.
They had an owner with money and should have been good, but they sucked.
So they sold everything, tanked and started over with Ovechkin.
It was a good choice. A deliberate choice.
It took 4 years of bad hockey to rebuild.
It's harder to make that choice today.
What if you finish dead last and get Andrew Ladd instead of Ovechkin?
That year you draft Backstrom, if you don't win the lottery, you're picking 7th instead, so mabe you get James Sheppard or Bryan Little instead.
But the flipside is, that year you drafted Pokulok, maybe you get lucky and get Jack Johnson.
What else do you want the league to do?
They've already made finishing last a crapshoot.
They've already made the lottery open to 14 ****ing teams.
Personally, I'd love to make it open to 31 teams.
Team ----- ---- Balls in the lottery
Cup champ -- 1 = 0.08 percent
Finals loser -- 2
Semifinalist loser -- 3
Quarterfinalist loser - 4
First round loser - 5 - 0.4%
17th - 10 0.8% vs 1% today
18th - 20
19th - 30
20th - 40
21st - 50
22nd - 60
23rd -- 70
24th - 80
25th - 90
26th - 100 - 8.4%
27th - 110
28th - 120
29th - 130 - 11 %
30th - 140 - 11.8%
31st - 150 - 12.7% vs 18.5% today
Here's the sad truth, for you. Tanking is a way to control your destiny. And weakening a team's ability to tank effectively makes it harder for a team to get better.
Back in 03-04, an aging capitals team traded away Lang, Gonchar, Jagr, Bondra, Nylander, Konowalchuk and Battaglia.
They had an owner with money and should have been good, but they sucked.
So they sold everything, tanked and started over with Ovechkin.
It was a good choice. A deliberate choice.
It took 4 years of bad hockey to rebuild.
It's harder to make that choice today.
What if you finish dead last and get Andrew Ladd instead of Ovechkin?
That year you draft Backstrom, if you don't win the lottery, you're picking 7th instead, so mabe you get James Sheppard or Bryan Little instead.
But the flipside is, that year you drafted Pokulok, maybe you get lucky and get Jack Johnson.
Are there even any sincere tank fans? I think most of us only argue for a rebuild. Selling assets, etc, but not scorched Earth.
This is good news. Hopefully Green can fetch us a first and we can get some minor picks for a couple of other guys. If we continue to stockpile draft picks we'll put together a decent team eventually. Ottawa's second has turned into a great piece. A package like Green 1st +Ottawa 2nd + 4th rounder could net us a mid-first for either a defenseman that's lasting longer than they should (Smith, Bouchard, Woo etc. Someone will have to last too long) or a forward like Veleno that's been passed over for D. I love having two early seconds. It will give us a lot of opportunity to move around if someone is available where they shouldn't be. This TDL could set us up for a great draft.
what most fans want right now which is to get the best draft position as possible.
But if he is in fact a true #1 out of the box then he slots our current D-men down a peg and makes the unit better as a whole. Getting that guy who actually fits the bill as a #1 will have rippling affects through our D corps
his point is that getting Dahlin, who isnt guaranteed to be an elite 1D, wont change us overnight
Draper is obviously speaking under the assumption that Dahlin will be as good as advertised. If he, most certainly would change us overnight.
Hes fine, but we are in full blown rebuild and if we can trade him for picks then you do it and let kids play. We are not going anywhere with him.
Back in 03-04, an aging capitals team traded away Lang, Gonchar, Jagr, Bondra, Nylander, Konowalchuk and Battaglia.
Where was my quote from? I havent even posted in this thread until now.what have the Capitals won since then? Oh yeah, President's "Trophy."
what have the Capitals won since then? Oh yeah, President's "Trophy."
what have the Capitals won since then? Oh yeah, President's "Trophy."
He multiquoted every quote he's done. Mine was from February.Where was my quote from? I havent even posted in this thread until now.
lol smhHe multiquoted every quote he's done. Mine was from February.
Don't think it's on the league. It's just this fanbase. A month ago people were talking about how we were gonna win so much we would draft 10-14. Now we've been by far the worst team in the league post TDL and our 2nd win in something like 15 games has everyone going crazy about how we're winning too much. When we were the 8th-12th worst team in the league Holland was a moron for building a team too good to finish in the bottom 5, a moron for not tanking. When we lose every game, he's a moron for building a team that competes for worst in the league. When the team finally wins a game, he's a moron again because some of the veterans he signed scored. If we lose the rest of the games, he'll be a moron for building such a terrible team. If we win the lottery and get Dahlin he'll be a lucky moron and get no credit for it. If we lose the lottery despite good odds, he'll be a moron for some other reason.It just pisses me off, going to a Red Wings fan forum and seeing everyone is upset that we beat the pants off Crosby and Co.
The league needs to fix that.
Thank you for bringing up an excellent point. I made a thread on the main board to attempt to address it. http://hfboards.mandatory.com/threads/incentive-to-cheer-for-a-loss.2470069/What else do you want the league to do?
They've already made finishing last a crapshoot.
They've already made the lottery open to 14 ****ing teams.
Personally, I'd love to make it open to 31 teams.
Team ----- ---- Balls in the lottery
Cup champ -- 1 = 0.08 percent
Finals loser -- 2
Semifinalist loser -- 3
Quarterfinalist loser - 4
First round loser - 5 - 0.4%
17th - 10 0.8% vs 1% today
18th - 20
19th - 30
20th - 40
21st - 50
22nd - 60
23rd -- 70
24th - 80
25th - 90
26th - 100 - 8.4%
27th - 110
28th - 120
29th - 130 - 11 %
30th - 140 - 11.8%
31st - 150 - 12.7% vs 18.5% today
Here's the sad truth, for you. Tanking is a way to control your destiny. And weakening a team's ability to tank effectively makes it harder for a team to get better.
Back in 03-04, an aging capitals team traded away Lang, Gonchar, Jagr, Bondra, Nylander, Konowalchuk and Battaglia.
They had an owner with money and should have been good, but they sucked.
So they sold everything, tanked and started over with Ovechkin.
It was a good choice. A deliberate choice.
It took 4 years of bad hockey to rebuild.
It's harder to make that choice today.
What if you finish dead last and get Andrew Ladd instead of Ovechkin?
That year you draft Backstrom, if you don't win the lottery, you're picking 7th instead, so mabe you get James Sheppard or Bryan Little instead.
But the flipside is, that year you drafted Pokulok, maybe you get lucky and get Jack Johnson.
It just pisses me off, going to a Red Wings fan forum and seeing everyone is upset that we beat the pants off Crosby and Co.
The league needs to fix that.
Don't think it's on the league. It's just this fanbase. A month ago people were talking about how we were gonna win so much we would draft 10-14. Now we've been by far the worst team in the league post TDL and our 2nd win in something like 15 games has everyone going crazy about how we're winning too much. When we were the 8th-12th worst team in the league Holland was a moron for building a team too good to finish in the bottom 5, a moron for not tanking. When we lose every game, he's a moron for building a team that competes for worst in the league. When the team finally wins a game, he's a moron again because some of the veterans he signed scored. If we lose the rest of the games, he'll be a moron for building such a terrible team. If we win the lottery and get Dahlin he'll be a lucky moron and get no credit for it. If we lose the lottery despite good odds, he'll be a moron for some other reason.
Basically people just want to be angry, no matter what. "This team is a joke" posts show up in every GDT, win or lose.
Probably, but I don’t see how it matters.Do you think Holland built this team expecting to draft top5 in the lottery?
Don't think it's on the league. It's just this fanbase. A month ago people were talking about how we were gonna win so much we would draft 10-14. Now we've been by far the worst team in the league post TDL and our 2nd win in something like 15 games has everyone going crazy about how we're winning too much. When we were the 8th-12th worst team in the league Holland was a moron for building a team too good to finish in the bottom 5, a moron for not tanking. When we lose every game, he's a moron for building a team that competes for worst in the league. When the team finally wins a game, he's a moron again because some of the veterans he signed scored. If we lose the rest of the games, he'll be a moron for building such a terrible team. If we win the lottery and get Dahlin he'll be a lucky moron and get no credit for it. If we lose the lottery despite good odds, he'll be a moron for some other reason.
Basically people just want to be angry, no matter what. "This team is a joke" posts show up in every GDT, win or lose.
It makes a difference to me. When we were good, i enjoyed watching games with the gdt in the background so i could share opinions and thoughts and cheers with like-minded fans. That's not fun anymore because now I'm wading through posts of people upset when we score goals and happy when we get scored against. That's depressing and makes the whole game watching experience worse for me.Ain't that the truth. I wouldn't sweat the negativity, tbh. Nothing that gets posted on here makes an inkling of a difference in the standings.
It makes a difference to me. When we were good, i enjoyed watching games with the gdt in the background so i could share opinions and thoughts and cheers with like-minded fans. That's not fun anymore because now I'm wading through posts of people upset when we score goals and happy when we get scored against. That's depressing and makes the whole game watching experience worse for me.
I am totally fine with the gm making strategic tank moves that make the team worse in the short run. But when i tune into a game, i want to cheer for a win. And i want to discuss and share with others who are cheering for a win.