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Confirmed Signing with Link: [PIT] Cody Ceci signs with the Penguins (1 year, $1.25M)
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Empoleon8771
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I mean it's not much of a consolation, but JJ is way worse than Ceci.
Ceci stinks but he's more in line with "washed up version of Schultz" level stink than "JJ" stink.
I don't know if Ceci's charts will have changed much in the year since that was posted, McCurdy said he's not going to post Ceci's charts until later.
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someone needs to confiscate Rutherford's pen
Yes he did and he was lying and we all knew it.
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I'm not saying he's going to work out there, but your take doesn't make sense. Crosby/Malkin have shown all their career to improving their line-mates regardless if they're 3rd line players. Matthews/Tavares isn't comparable
Then Ruhwedel will beat him out of the 3RD spot and all it's going to cost us is around 150k on the cap (unless someone else claims him off of waivers). There's not a lot of downside here.
I haven't watched enough of Ceci's game, but all we need him to be able to do is babysit Matheson a little bit, or be Pettersson's partner and not suck. The bar isn't all that high here... and we have an excellent #7 in Ruhwedel if Ceci does suck. Pretty low risk signing big picture.
JJ cost 3.25m. But the difference is Ceci is a RHS vs JJ being an expensive 4LD.
Pens wanted a RH shot and D man and simply didn't have the cap room for anyone to be a top 4 player. But he brings an NHL D man on the 3rd pairing and will compete for that position. He is depth and brings experience to the team. Yes he is not highly regarded and was not really good enough as a higher pairing possibility in Toronto but at a one year deal the risk is simply fine. If he stinks, he is gone to AHL or gone.
And won 2 cups. Don't forget that part.
Empoleon8771
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I mean Gudbranson was good for the Penguins and was good for the Ducks after the trade.
He's going to be behind Letang and Marino on RD. On LD we have Dumoulin, Pettersson and Matheson. Not quite sure what we're going to get out of MM, but the others are all easily capable of playing 18-25 minutes a night (especially the top 3)... meaning Ceci is definitely going to be in that 6D role. And if he struggles we have Ruhwedel who can easily handle that role.
I laugh when Leaf fans talk bad about Ceci.
Is he a bottom pairing defenseman? Yes.
Is it his fault that management that had cap issues decided to pay him over $4 million when they could’ve let him go and signed a similar player for $1M? No
Is it his fault that the management continues to “NOT” address the defense situation and plays bottom pairing defensemen like him Holl, Gardiner Dermott Etc Etc etc in the top four or even the top pairing for decades and not a dressing the situation? No
Do Leaf fans continue to support the incapable management that struggles to manage assets year in and year out, knowing that management knows that fans will continue to blame the bad defense And not the management that built the team? Yes.
Will the fans continue to blame a goalie that gets hung out to dry like the last one and the one before that because of terrible defense that can occasionally lift them out of their seat with a nice offensive play while putting themselves out of position and create turnovers where the goalie gets blamed? Yes.
*** pens fans****This is a good depth signing, but if he plays on the top pairing and or even middle pairing and can’t handle the job, don’t blame the defenseman who was put into a position above his head or pay grade, blame the management not the player.
Is he a bottom pairing defenseman? Yes.
Is it his fault that management that had cap issues decided to pay him over $4 million when they could’ve let him go and signed a similar player for $1M? No
Is it his fault that the management continues to “NOT” address the defense situation and plays bottom pairing defensemen like him Holl, Gardiner Dermott Etc Etc etc in the top four or even the top pairing for decades and not a dressing the situation? No
Do Leaf fans continue to support the incapable management that struggles to manage assets year in and year out, knowing that management knows that fans will continue to blame the bad defense And not the management that built the team? Yes.
Will the fans continue to blame a goalie that gets hung out to dry like the last one and the one before that because of terrible defense that can occasionally lift them out of their seat with a nice offensive play while putting themselves out of position and create turnovers where the goalie gets blamed? Yes.
*** pens fans****This is a good depth signing, but if he plays on the top pairing and or even middle pairing and can’t handle the job, don’t blame the defenseman who was put into a position above his head or pay grade, blame the management not the player.
grapes55
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he'll probably be adequate in Pitt, but dear god seeing him with rielly EVERY GAME was just so damn frustrating 
Ledge And Dairy
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I originally was thinking Johnson but wrote the wrong name down. Nevertheless, both have been below replacement level for the last 3 years now.
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Tbf ceci plays really hard competition the last couple years. Hes a decent 3ed pairing dman and I wouldn't have mind the deal Pitts signed him to back for Toronto. Hits a pretty well, good size and a decent skater.
Empoleon8771
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Yeah, as someone mentioned usage above, I'm actually curious to see how Ceci does in sheltered usage, which is how I imagine he'd be used in a D pair with Matheson. He hasn't exactly been "sheltered" on his teams in the past:
19-20 Leafs:
18-19 Sens:
17-18 Sens:
I'm skeptical giving him easier minutes will improve results that much, because I've read studies that QoC isn't really related to analytics that much (or at least QoT matters more), but it's interesting to see if him being used in an easier role helps at all. He was used on his team's top shutdown pair for a long time, and he's just not capable of playing those minutes.
19-20 Leafs:
18-19 Sens:
17-18 Sens:
I'm skeptical giving him easier minutes will improve results that much, because I've read studies that QoC isn't really related to analytics that much (or at least QoT matters more), but it's interesting to see if him being used in an easier role helps at all. He was used on his team's top shutdown pair for a long time, and he's just not capable of playing those minutes.
So two different teams over the past 4 years played him 20+ minutes a night but he is not an NHLer? Seems like hyperbole to me. You can say he really shouldn't play the amount of minutes he has but over his career he consistently has been given top 4 minutes. So putting him on our 3rd pairing behind Letang 25+ minutes a night and Marino 20+ minutes a night leaves Ceci with only 14 minutes a night and change. That is a big reduction in what he has done over his years in the league. I am willing to bet Ceci will handle those sheltered minutes much better than the 20-23 minutes a night he has been doing over his past 4 years.
Plus the fans and outlets that say Ruhwedel is just as good or better are ridiculous. Ruhwedel has never been an NHL regular and is 29 years old and has never came close to playing 20 minutes a night. Ceci has been averaging over 20+ minutes a night for years and is 26. Ceci might not be a stud but he definitely is an improvement over Schultz who was literally our worse defenseman last year. I still can't believe the Caps gave Schultz $4 million a year. All take Ceci at $1.25 million over Schultz any day even if Schultz could be on the Pens for $700,000. Pens have definitely upgraded the defense with Matheson and Ceci compared to JJ-Schultz.
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1 year deal - he turns it around and goes on to make more money than we'd like to pay or he sticks around for cheap. Exactly what you should do with your bottom pair and your 4th line.......NOT bring in a wishful reclamation with 5 years on his deal....or SIGN a wishful reclamation to 5 years. No reason to cry over this one.
1 year deal - he turns it around and goes on to make more money than we'd like to pay or he sticks around for cheap. Exactly what you should do with your bottom pair and your 4th line.......NOT bring in a wishful reclamation with 5 years on his deal....or SIGN a wishful reclamation to 5 years. No reason to cry over this one.
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he'll probably be adequate in Pitt, but dear god seeing him with rielly EVERY GAME was just so damn frustrating
He was paired with him every game? Dear lord.
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