Discussion in 'Ottawa Senators' started by Puikiou, Jun 20, 2018.
ya people always overrate their own B level prospects
its super annoying
What do you consider Formenton, Lajoie, Wolanin, Chlapik, etc. These are all B level prospects that this board raves about (what a great future we have!). Until they're traded, of course.
Swiftin and HSF only watch players once they make the NHL its ok.
Whats more garbage is people looking at Perron's stats and not how he plays
I actually did watch him, you clearly did not.
i don't... been saying we need elite level prospects. I think most people on these boards actually know that the sens are in deep trouble if they don't sign stone and duchene
People around here would lose their collective minds if we moved a guy like Formenton for a 4th liner, but somehow Dahlen is "fabricated outrage".
You're all aware we're a badly run franchise at the moment right? It's not out of the realm of possibility that we made a couple of bad moves and Dahlen/Perron will end up being players in this league.
Whatever you say bud.... My track record speaks for itself:
Larsson, Rundblad or Erixon
I posted that well before we traded away Rundblad, and well before Karlsson won his first Norris. Back when everyone was gushing over Rundblad. Needless to say I was one of the only ones defending the Turris-Rundblad trade.
Formenton is sure fire to make the NHL, the question is whether he can find an offensive side to his game and become more than a 3rd/4th line defensive specialist.
Dahlen was always going to be a long shot. He's no doubt talented, but he does not play the style of game that cuts it at the NHL level.
At the time of your post, Karlsson was coming off a 2nd season in which he posted 45 points. He was 2nd on the team in scoring, as a 20 year old defenseman. Pretty much everyone who watched the games knew he was going to be special. In fact, lots of people said it after his showing at the World Juniors.
And your prediction of David Rundblad being a "poor-man's PK Subban" didn't exactly come true, did it?
You valued a 21 year old former 3rd overall pick over him? What a Nostradamus!
I was just posting that as proof that I don't just turn against our "raved about prospects" after we trade them, but before we trade them too.
I think the point others are making is that if this team is going to have a successful rebuild, we should not be throwing prospects into deals, in any scenario, even if their stock has dropped.
I'm not too worked up about Dahlen, because we were a better team then and as bad as it turned out in year 2, Burrows did help us make the playoffs and go on a run.
But there was no reason to include Perron in the Karlsson trade. If he was a deal breaker for Wilson, then Dorion should have told him to **** off. The only piece that should have been moving from Ottawa was Karlsson.
Maybe Perron never becomes an NHLer, sure, but maybe he does. And a team in our situation needs to hold onto as many magic beans as we can.
It could be a whole bunch of things. Maybe Perron didn't want to be here? Maybe Ottawa wanted Balcers more and had to give up Perron? Maybe the scouting staff believe that Perron will be a AHL'er for life and didn't mind giving him up?
We were watching Dahlen closely on this board with updates and clips of his goals being posted regularly.
Now he may never become a regular NHL player but his stock had risen among fans on this board and it should have risen with our GM too. Dorion made a bad deal based on valuations of the pieces at the time of the trade.
Dahlen before he was traded was considered pretty much at Chalpik level a guy who MAY be a 2C but most likely a 3C. He became super overrated after being traded where people were saying he was going to be a top line player cause he was dominating a junior swedish league stats wise.
How people in hockey circles see prospects and how the general fans do seems to be different and we see that almost all the time in trades. Latest being the DStrome deal. We tend to have really good scouts so i trust their judgement and they haven't been too wrong when it comes to these young prospects
i know there are a few people on these boards who watch Perron a lot and swear he won't be a long term nhler
garbage post. debate the topic
We traded a future HOF defenseman and had to ADD to get Rudolfs Balcers included? Cool.
Maybe our scouting team misevaluated him? Maybe we have a development system that doesn't put players in a position to succeed? Maybe Pierre Dorion is just in over his head and got taken advantage of by a veteran GM?
I tend to trust our scouts they have done a pretty good job with what they were given if they think Perron was going to be a future top line player they wouldn't have given the go ahead to Dorion.
This is one area of the sens im not too worried about
Im just happy the unrealistic Dahlen hype fest as ended here.. I still rmr the backlash when Prince was let go
It's not out of the realm of possibility that they become career minor league players either. IMO Formenton at the least should be a very good defensive forward & if he can add an element of secondary scoring to his arsenal he could be a good 3rd liner with 2nd line forward potential. Dahlen & Perron either make it into the top 6 in the NHL or never quite make it like Cory Locke which would be my guess.
I mean, our scouts are unbelievable, but not infallible. Look no further than the trading up to get Gagne, and we have Jaros/Chlapik/Wolanin from that same draft taken after him.
Regardless, it was a mutual parting, thanks to KK and the team in Belleville. They treated Perron absolutely terribly, and both parties, Perron and the Sens, had enough.
Of course a player is going to be displeased when he is being thrown on the 4th line and expected to play that type of game, when he is the furthest thing from a crash and banger. I'd be very mad at being treated that way, and seeing the way other guys get opportunities.
You say you trust our scouts, but somehow slag Dahlen and Perron, guys our scouts drafted because they thought they'd have a future in this league.
It's obvious at one point in time our scouts viewed these guys as future NHLers (moreso Dahlen obviously).
Im not saying those guys are terrible players and of course no scouting staff is perfect but ours is pretty good and if they feel like those guys may not be developing as they thought then they move on and make room for others.
Again we don't know what the conversations were like. Perhaps Perron had a enough with this team.
There is a very long list of players & coaches not getting along in sports for various reasons, we've seen it numerous times. Fans can take whatever sides they want but KK has a long resume of coaching & has a Calder Cup for this franchise. What is on Perron's resume other than having this one good yr so far in the minors & an appearance at the Memorial Cup?
Perron was drafted in the 7th rd (#190) one spot behind Kelly Summers, it's not like any other team saw much potential in him either. What would you say are the chances a 7th rounder has to make the NHL? And isn't it up to the player to get noticed, to do whatever it takes & get on the score sheet? PD moved a guy who was not producing & a malcontent for SJ's minor league team's leading scorer (Balcer), that should be a win for any organization, shouldn't it? Who knew he would have a good yr there & good for him, but it still doesn't mean he will amount to anything at the NHL level until he does it. Balcers could still turn out to be the better player, we'll see.
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