Pierre Dorion's trade tracker

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  1. Puikiou

    Puikiou Registered User

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    Here's Pierre Dorion's trade tracker (It'll be updated for the duration of his tenure):


    :sens

    Roster on april 10, 2016 (hiring date):

    Hoffman - Turris - Stone
    MacArthur - Zibanejad - Ryan
    Smith - Pageau - Dzingel
    Chiasson - Paul - Lazar
    Neil

    Methot - Karlsson
    Phaneuf - Ceci
    Boro - Wideman
    Wiercioch

    Anderson
    Hammond

    Notable prospects: Chabot, White, Chlapik, Wolanin, Jaros, Englund, Gagné, Perron, Harpur, Claesson, Hogberg, 1sts & 2nd round picks in upcoming years



    Roster on september 16, 2018 (current):

    Dzingel - Duchene - White
    Tkachuk - Tierney - Stone
    Boedker - Pageau - Ryan
    Paajarvi - Smith - Pyatt
    McCormick/Gaborik

    Chabot - Ceci
    Wolanin - Demelo
    Boro - Wideman
    Harpur

    Anderson
    Condon

    Notable prospects: Brown, Batherson, Formenton, Norris, Balcers, Nurmi, Lajoie, Tychonik, JBD, Gustavsson, 1sts & 2nd round picks in upcoming years (except unprotected 2019 1st round pick)

    Players in
    Players out
    Draft picks in
    Draft picks out
    Matt Duchene​
    Erik Karlsson​
    2016 11th overall pick (Logan Brown)​
    2016 12th overall pick (Michael McLeod)​
    Mikkel Boedker​
    Kyle Turris (Samuel Girard + Vladislav Kamenev + 2018 2nd round pick (Filip Hallander))​
    2017 2nd round pick (Alex Formenton)​
    2016 3rd round pick (Joey Anderson)​
    Chris Tierney​
    Mika Zibanejad​
    2018 1st round pick (Jacob Bernard-Docker)​
    2017 3rd round pick (Evan Barratt)​
    Mike Condon​
    Mike Hoffman​
    2018 2nd round pick (Jonathan Tychonick)​
    2017 5th round pick (Jan Drogz)
    Viktor Stalberg​
    Derick Brassard​
    2018 7th round pick (Luke Loheit)​
    2017 7th round pick (Matthew Hellickson)​
    Marian Gaborik​
    Dion Phaneuf​
    2019 2nd round pick​
    2018 1st round pick (K'Andre Miller)​
    Dylan DeMelo​
    Ian Cole​
    2019 3rd round pick​
    2018 2nd round pick (Jonatan Berggren)​
    Alex Burrows​
    Jonathan Dahlen​
    2019 7th round pick​
    2018 3rd round pick (Jesper Eliasson)​
    Tommy Wingels​
    Shane Bowers​
    SJS 2019 or 2020 1st round pick​
    2018 3rd round pick (Justus Annunen)​
    Josh Norris​
    Andrew Hammond​
    2020 3rd round pick​
    OTT 2019 1st round pick​
    Rudolfs Balcers​
    Alex Chiasson​
    2020 6th round pick (SJS)​
    2019 6th round pick​
    Filip Gustavsson​
    Nick Shore​
    2020 5th round pick (STL)​
    2020 5th round pick​
    Ville Pokka​
    Nate Thompson​
    Julius Bergman​
    Francis Perron​
    Patrick Sieloff​
    Curtis Lazar​
    Brandon Gormley​
    Chris DiDomenico​
    Jyrki Jokipakka​
    Mike Kostka​
    Nick Moutrey​
    Buddy Robinson​
    Marc Hagel​
    Vincent Dunn​
    Cody Donaghey​
    Zack Stortini​
    Stefan Elliott​
    Chris Wideman​
    Tobias Lindberg​
    Ben Sexton​
    Macoy Erkamps​


    #
    IN
    OUT
    #1
    June 24, 2016​
    2016 11th overall pick (Logan Brown)​
    2016 12th overall pick (Michael McLeod) + 2016 3rd round pick (Joey Anderson)​
    #2
    June 27, 2016​
    Patrick Sieloff​
    Alex Chiasson​
    #3
    July 18, 2016​
    Derick Brassard + 2018 7th round pick (Luke Loheit)​
    Mika Zibanejad + 2018 2nd round pick (Jonatan Berggren)​
    #4
    November 2, 2016​
    Mike Condon​
    2017 5th round pick (Jan Drogz)​
    #5
    January 24, 2017​
    Tommy Wingels​
    Zack Stortini + Buddy Robinson + 2017 7th round pick (Matthew Hellickson)​
    #6 February 1, 2017​
    Marc Hagel​
    Future considerations​
    #7
    February 27, 2017​
    Alex Burrows​
    Jonathan Dahlen​
    #8 February 28, 2017​
    Viktor Stalberg​
    2017 3rd round pick (Evan Barratt)​
    #9
    March 1, 2017​
    Jyrki Jokipakka + 2017 2nd round pick (Alex Formenton)​
    Curtis Lazar + Mike Kostka​
    #10
    March 6, 2017​
    Brandon Gormley​
    Future considerations​
    #11
    November 5, 2017​
    Matt Duchene​
    Kyle Turris (Samuel Girard + Vladislav Kamenev + 2018 2nd round pick (Filip Hallander)) + Andrew Hammond + Shane Bowers + 2018 3rd round pick (Justus Annunen) + unprotected 2019 1st round pick​
    #12 February 13, 2018​
    Marian Gaborik + Nick Shore​
    Dion Phaneuf + Nate Thompson​
    #13 February 15, 2018​
    Ville Pokka​
    Chris DiDomenico​
    #14 February 23, 2018​
    Ian Cole + Filip Gustavsson + 2018 1st round pick (K'Andre Miller) + 2019 3rd round pick​
    Derick Brassard + Vincent Dunn + 2018 3rd round pick (Jesper Eliasson)​
    #15 February 26, 2018​
    2019 7th round pick​
    Nick Shore​
    #16
    February 26, 2018​
    Nick Moutrey + 2020 3rd round pick​
    Ian Cole​
    #17
    June 19, 2018​
    Mikkel Boedker + Julius Bergman + 2020 6th round pick​
    Mike Hoffman + Cody Donaghey + 2020 5th round pick​
    #18
    June 22, 2018​
    2018 1st round pick (Jacob Bernard-Docker) + 2018 2nd round pick (Jonathan Tychonick)​
    2018 1st round pick (K'Andre Miller)​
    #19
    September 13, 2018​
    Chris Tierney + Dylan DeMelo + Josh Norris + Rudolfs Balcers + 2019 2nd round pick + 2019 or 2020 1st round pick​
    Erik Karlsson + Francis Perron​
    #20 November 22, 2018​
    2020 6th round pick​
    Chris Wideman​
    #21 December 5, 2018​
    Stefan Elliott + Tobias Lindberg​
    Ben Sexton + Macoy Erkamps​
    #22
    January 5, 2018​
    Anders Nilsson + Darren Archibald​
    Tom Pyatt + Mike McKenna + 2019 6th round pick​


    I) From december 28, 2017:


    II) From June 20, 2018


    III) From september 17, 2018


    IV) From september 9, 2018
     
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  2. Wallet Inspector

    Wallet Inspector Registered User

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    Condon and Brassard trades were good, Phaneuf one was alright since we got rid of his contract, but the rest are below average or just plain bad.
     
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  3. Gesus

    Gesus Melnyk eats babies

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    Loved the Duchene trade at the time as I felt we really needed to upgrade on Turris and was glad we didn't sign him to that contract. Now? Ya it hurts.
     
  4. Very Stable Genius

    Very Stable Genius #WeLostOurKarlssons

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    2nd Brassard trade was good, 1st Brassard trade was not.
     
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    Do Make Say Think & Yet & Yet

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    I love Turris but he wasn't going to cut it as a top line C on a cup winner. You need someone better.

    Everybody thrashed Duchene after the trade because the Sens were absolute hot garbage for like two months or something but no one talked about Turris fading and being mostly ineffective in the playoffs this year. Mean while Duchene was on fire but it doesn't count?

    If the 1st pick we end up giving up is a top 5 pick then, yeah, doesn't look great. But we aren't there yet. Hopefully we sign Duchene, Karlsson and Stone, Chabot, Dzingle, White and Chlapik have strong seasons and we make the playoffs.

    If that happens? We are golden. And yes it seems unlikely but it can still happen. Hoffman getting traded was step 1. Let's hope this keeps up.
     
  6. Gil Gunderson

    Gil Gunderson Registered User

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    Mad scientist.
     
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  7. Benjamin

    Benjamin Differently Financed

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    Dorion can be described in one simple word: Yikes

    In is a bunch of scrubs minus Duchene

    Out is half of a decent core
     
  8. L'Aveuglette

    L'Aveuglette "We're a team"

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    The Duchene trade would be great if we hadn't sent our 1st along. Nothing can justify that.
     
  9. ReginKarlssonLehner

    ReginKarlssonLehner Let's Win It All

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    It's funny really, if he manages to re-sign EK and make have a homerun first round on Friday then he'll be viewed as a legend.

    If he fails to do either he'll be viewed as the worst GM we've ever had.

    Sucks that he doesn't have full leverage in the first decision with the man above him pulling his strings too.
     
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  10. dzingelalltheway

    dzingelalltheway Let's win it all -MR

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    Oof. You're stretching the meaning of the word 'legend' quite a bit here.
     
  11. Do Make Say Think

    Do Make Say Think & Yet & Yet

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    I think it was an acceptable price to pay for a top line C. They do not tend to be available at 26 years old.

    Would you still think it was a bad trade if we sign everyone and Duchene has a strong season and we make the playoffs?

    That could still happen. Trading Hoffman for scraps was the first step and it's always the hardest.
     
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  12. Gesus

    Gesus Melnyk eats babies

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    I like your thinking!

    Duchene over Turris every day of the week. If we can just do well enough that the pick isn't in that top 5-10 range AND sign Duchene long term, I'm just fine with the deal.
     
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    So not counting things that are a complete write off/mostly without value, basically boils down to:

    Duchene, Gustavsson, 22nd overall 2018, Formenton

    for

    Zibanejad, Turris, Hoffman, Bowers, Dahlen, 4th overall 2018 or 1st 2019, 33rd overall 2018
     
  14. L'Aveuglette

    L'Aveuglette "We're a team"

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    Duchene needed to get out of Colorado. Sakic wasn't in a position to get the plethora of riches he received for him. If Dorion was a good GM, he would have managed not to give up the 1st along with all those other pieces Colorado got from Ottawa and Nashville.

    I know we're used to getting fleeced at this point but there are teams that win trades out there sometimes, or at least break even. Dorion always seems to give up too much to get his man.
     
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    Looking at what we gave up to get Matt Duchene, we have get more back if EK is traded,
     
  16. DJB

    DJB #MELNYKOUT

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    Impossible to evaluate Dorions deals fairly. Nearly each one has been money driven.
     
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    It's actually unbelievable how bad Dorion has screwed us in trades.

    Only GM worse at managing assets might be Bergevin.
     
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    Most of the deals were designed to save money. Put the money in and it looks more balanced.
     
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    BondraTime Registered User

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    Looks more balanced on a spread sheet, still looks like dog turds from an on ice perspective
     
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    Ice-Tray Registered User

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    We want a pile of riches when we trade away good players, but don't expect to give a pile of riches to get good players.

    Classic HF.
     
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    This is how you justify how little we return for our players?
     
  22. StupendousFlow

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    The price was maybe a slight overpay but acceptable for a player of that caliber.

    The main problem was the circumstances surrounding the deal. Everyone could see that we had a pretty flukey run in the playoffs (not hyperbole, basically take your pick of underlying statistics). We were not seen as a consistent contender, which is the type of team that would have made that deal should be. And now we're in a spot where for every 1 reason Duchene may want to re-sign here, the team has given him about 5 not to. The more shrewd move would likely have been to wait things out further...what was the rush? See where the team was after more than 10 games or so and by then the price likely would have come down.

    To re-iterate, I didn't like the trade but didn't hate it. Definitely think we could have gone about it much better.

    And looking at that list, thing that sticks out most: 4 top 6 forwards out, only 1 in.
     
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    Just what we paid for the Duchene, I loved the trade then, and still love it now. It doesn't mean that I don't recognize that next year's pick could be a good one for the Avs, but we got the player the Avs hope their assets can be as good as, and as long as we extend him he's worth the assets in my mind.

    I'm ok with Zibs return (obvious cash/pick stuff aside), and the sweet run makes the Burrows trade palatable for me despite his drop off this year (I know people think we could have done it anyways, but I'm definitely a bird in hand kind of guy with my sports) And I was a fan of Burrows in Van seeing as how it's technically my home team.

    I'm not happy with the return on Havlat, Spezza, Heatley, or Hoffman, but each of these players screwed us. We must have the worst luck with good players tanking their value for us before leaving, and that's spanning over three GM's!
     
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    Lazar trade was really good. Counterbalance to the Burrows trade in some ways. Trading a borderline NHL player for a high end prospect.
     
  25. Uchiha

    Uchiha #DorionOut

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    Terrible GM but an even worse attitude.
     
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