Pierre Dorion's trade tracker

[Puikiou]

Here's Pierre Dorion's trade tracker (It'll be updated for the duration of his tenure):

Roster on april 10, 2016 (hiring date):

Hoffman - Turris - Stone
MacArthur - Zibanejad - Ryan
Smith - Pageau - Dzingel
Chiasson - Paul - Lazar
Neil

Methot - Karlsson
Phaneuf - Ceci
Boro - Wideman
Wiercioch

Anderson
Hammond

Notable prospects: Chabot, White, Chlapik, Wolanin, Jaros, Englund, Gagné, Perron, Harpur, Claesson, Hogberg, 1sts & 2nd round picks in upcoming years



Roster on september 16, 2018 (current):

Dzingel - Duchene - White
Tkachuk - Tierney - Stone
Boedker - Pageau - Ryan
Paajarvi - Smith - Pyatt
McCormick/Gaborik

Chabot - Ceci
Wolanin - Demelo
Boro - Wideman
Harpur

Anderson
Condon

Notable prospects: Brown, Batherson, Formenton, Norris, Balcers, Nurmi, Lajoie, Tychonik, JBD, Gustavsson, 1sts & 2nd round picks in upcoming years (except unprotected 2019 1st round pick)
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Players in​	Players out​	Draft picks in​	Draft picks out​
Matt Duchene​	Erik Karlsson​	2016 11th overall pick (Logan Brown)​	2016 12th overall pick (Michael McLeod)​
Mikkel Boedker​	Kyle Turris (Samuel Girard + Vladislav Kamenev + 2018 2nd round pick (Filip Hallander))​	2017 2nd round pick (Alex Formenton)​	2016 3rd round pick (Joey Anderson)​
Chris Tierney​	Mika Zibanejad​	2018 1st round pick (Jacob Bernard-Docker)​	2017 3rd round pick (Evan Barratt)​
Mike Condon​	Mike Hoffman​	2018 2nd round pick (Jonathan Tychonick)​	2017 5th round pick (Jan Drogz)
Viktor Stalberg​	Derick Brassard​	2018 7th round pick (Luke Loheit)​	2017 7th round pick (Matthew Hellickson)​
Marian Gaborik​	Dion Phaneuf​	2019 2nd round pick​	2018 1st round pick (K'Andre Miller)​
Dylan DeMelo​	Ian Cole​	2019 3rd round pick​	2018 2nd round pick (Jonatan Berggren)​
Alex Burrows​	Jonathan Dahlen​	2019 7th round pick​	2018 3rd round pick (Jesper Eliasson)​
Tommy Wingels​	Shane Bowers​	SJS 2019 or 2020 1st round pick​	2018 3rd round pick (Justus Annunen)​
Josh Norris​	Andrew Hammond​	2020 3rd round pick​	OTT 2019 1st round pick​
Rudolfs Balcers​	Alex Chiasson​	2020 6th round pick (SJS)​	2019 6th round pick​
Filip Gustavsson​	Nick Shore​	2020 5th round pick (STL)​	2020 5th round pick​
Ville Pokka​	Nate Thompson​
Julius Bergman​	Francis Perron​
Patrick Sieloff​	Curtis Lazar​
Brandon Gormley​	Chris DiDomenico​
Jyrki Jokipakka​	Mike Kostka​
Nick Moutrey​	Buddy Robinson​
Marc Hagel​	Vincent Dunn​
Cody Donaghey​	Zack Stortini​
Stefan Elliott​	Chris Wideman​
Tobias Lindberg​	Ben Sexton​
Macoy Erkamps​

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

#​	IN​	OUT​
#1 June 24, 2016​	2016 11th overall pick (Logan Brown)​	2016 12th overall pick (Michael McLeod) + 2016 3rd round pick (Joey Anderson)​
#2 June 27, 2016​	Patrick Sieloff​	Alex Chiasson​
#3 July 18, 2016​	Derick Brassard + 2018 7th round pick (Luke Loheit)​	Mika Zibanejad + 2018 2nd round pick (Jonatan Berggren)​
#4 November 2, 2016​	Mike Condon​	2017 5th round pick (Jan Drogz)​
#5 January 24, 2017​	Tommy Wingels​	Zack Stortini + Buddy Robinson + 2017 7th round pick (Matthew Hellickson)​
#6 February 1, 2017​	Marc Hagel​	Future considerations​
#7 February 27, 2017​	Alex Burrows​	Jonathan Dahlen​
#8 February 28, 2017​	Viktor Stalberg​	2017 3rd round pick (Evan Barratt)​
#9 March 1, 2017​	Jyrki Jokipakka + 2017 2nd round pick (Alex Formenton)​	Curtis Lazar + Mike Kostka​
#10 March 6, 2017​	Brandon Gormley​	Future considerations​
#11 November 5, 2017​	Matt Duchene​	Kyle Turris (Samuel Girard + Vladislav Kamenev + 2018 2nd round pick (Filip Hallander)) + Andrew Hammond + Shane Bowers + 2018 3rd round pick (Justus Annunen) + unprotected 2019 1st round pick​
#12 February 13, 2018​	Marian Gaborik + Nick Shore​	Dion Phaneuf + Nate Thompson​
#13 February 15, 2018​	Ville Pokka​	Chris DiDomenico​
#14 February 23, 2018​	Ian Cole + Filip Gustavsson + 2018 1st round pick (K'Andre Miller) + 2019 3rd round pick​	Derick Brassard + Vincent Dunn + 2018 3rd round pick (Jesper Eliasson)​
#15 February 26, 2018​	2019 7th round pick​	Nick Shore​
#16 February 26, 2018​	Nick Moutrey + 2020 3rd round pick​	Ian Cole​
#17 June 19, 2018​	Mikkel Boedker + Julius Bergman + 2020 6th round pick​	Mike Hoffman + Cody Donaghey + 2020 5th round pick​
#18 June 22, 2018​	2018 1st round pick (Jacob Bernard-Docker) + 2018 2nd round pick (Jonathan Tychonick)​	2018 1st round pick (K'Andre Miller)​
#19 September 13, 2018​	Chris Tierney + Dylan DeMelo + Josh Norris + Rudolfs Balcers + 2019 2nd round pick + 2019 or 2020 1st round pick​	Erik Karlsson + Francis Perron​
#20 November 22, 2018​	2020 6th round pick​	Chris Wideman​
#21 December 5, 2018​	Stefan Elliott + Tobias Lindberg​	Ben Sexton + Macoy Erkamps​
#22 January 5, 2018​	Anders Nilsson + Darren Archibald​	Tom Pyatt + Mike McKenna + 2019 6th round pick​

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

I) From december 28, 2017:

The thought of Pierre Dorion pulling the trigger on another move to ''make us better'' keeps me up at night. He's the architect of this mess.

Budget or not, the moves he has made have all been abysmal and short sighted. The one good trade he made (Mike Condon for 5th -- though Condon was available on waivers for free days earlier), he ruined by signing the player to a fat 3 years contract extension after a solid 20 something games run. Same team that went through that pattern with Andrew Hammond -- whose contract they were trying to get rid of at the time of the extension. Same team that gambled fat contract extensions to Greening, Cowen, Michalek, Phillips, Burrows, Anderson, etc. -- all players coming off unsustainable stretches of play or veterans being paid for intangibles and past success while on the verge of being done as NHL caliber performers. Buy high, sell low; character and intangibles over speed and skill -- The Ottawa Senators way.

No. The budget is not the issue. Anaheim has had one for the better part of the decade and is one of the best built team in the league. No. The issue is the everlasting lack of foresight, the crippling tendency of trading away promising young assets for older stagnating/declining ones, the constant overpayment of marginal players leaving little on the table for core ones, the lack of plan, the recurring assessment that we are better than we are, etc. etc.

To think I was ecstatic when Dorion got promoted because I thought his skills as a talent evaluator would translate in assets management as the GM of this team. I feel like a fool for once again falling for the promise of hope. Cheated for wanting to believe again.

Zibanejad was and still is my favorite player in the league. For all his flaws, he was improving every season and was fresh off scoring 20 points in his last 20 games as an Ottawa Senator. Should have known right from the moment he was traded for a player 6 years his senior that had marginally better numbers with Zuccarello and Nash as his primary linemates that we were in for a very rough patch. I still remember seeing the headline: “Mika Zibanejad to NYR for Derick Brassard + 2018 2nd” and thinking “what a disaster” only to realize that I misread and we were the ones adding the 2nd rounder. At that point I just laughed in sadness.

Is Dorion still getting hugged by veterans in the CTC hallways for acquiring Burrows?
What about our egomaniac, change averse, veteran loving coach STILL playing Burrows on the power play as one of his many offenses on the long list fireable ones?

An ownership change followed by a full house cleaning would be the dream, but after almost a decade of disappointments, I’m not setting myself up for another one. I’ll settle for the obvious.

Someone please make it stop with this management and coaching staff.

II) From June 20, 2018

Needless to say I've been laughing in sadness again and hitting the bottle pretty hard these past few days. This level of incompetence wouldn't be tolerated by any self-respecting organization. And in no way, shape or form should be tolerated by the fans.

The 2018-2019 Eugene Melnyk owned Ottawa Senators won't get a single penny from my pocket. I refuse to sit by and encourage the very people who destroyed this team while they pretend to fix the mess they created. Couldn't be more excited for the kids, there's real talent there. But I'll be watching from home and that'll be the extent of my support. If after ten years of investment that makes me a bad fan, so be it.

Stubborn coach + Clueless, incompetent GM + Money hungry, penny pinching owner = disaster. There should be rallies and petitions out by now.

III) From september 17, 2018​

Unbelievable.

Dorion and that COO Ruzwhatever are lying through their noses and some gullible fans are actually buying it.
They only decided to trade Erik Karlsson in july when big bad Karl wouldn't sign the VERY generous and good-faithed contract offer they made him?
Then how come Bobby Ryan said he and Karl had their bags packed and thought they were gone IN FEBRUARY? How come Karl was asked for his trade-list teams IN NOVEMBER?

Shameful. Erik Karlsson was nothing but a class act in his time here and left everything on the ice for this team, but of course, the second he asks to be paid fairly, he's this horrible captain with no character that the organization has to move on from for its own good.

That contract they offered him had no signing bonuses and no expansive trade protection (https://theathletic.com/430.... No star player in their right mind anywhere in the league would have signed it. Let alone the very best defenseman in the world, face of the franchise and future hall of famer. It was a slap in the face and THEY KNEW he would never agreed to take it. No s**t his camp didn’t call back or sit down at the negotiation table.

That insulting offer (and the ridiculous timeline they’re depicting now) was a smoke screen designed with the sole purpose of appeasing the angry crowd and of course the angry crowd's buying it. At the town halls they promised to re-sign Karlsson so that people wouldn't cancel their season tickets. Once they secured those precious non-refundable season tickets, they went ahead and did what they always intended to do. Trade Karlsson. On the eve of training camp. A set artificial deadline they had because they never intended to have him there. ‘’I never imagined leaving this place’’, ‘’It was their decision’’, ‘’I wasn’t in their plans’’. Says it all, doesn’t it?

No player, regardless of who it is will be making 10M+ under the current regime. This is the same management that drove Alfie out of town over what? 500K-1M? Same management Alfie walked away from a second time and Tom Anselmi (bless him), a respectable businessman resigned from just a few months into office. I feel sorry for the fans who believe that the Karlsson trade and this ‘’rebuild’’ without a 1st masquerade they’re pulling off are anything but money driven. Those fans will be relieved to know that the people at the top are probably cooking them another brilliant timeline to justify the Duchene and Stone trades for magic beans at this very moment.

Anybody with an half critical mind could see the writing on the wall with Karlsson and most GMs aren’t stupid (shocking given ours, I know). They ganged up on Dorion and refused to put forth their best offers till the bitter end because they knew, one way or the other, they had him by the throat.

Those two clowns, Dorion and the other puppet mentioned a ''vocal minority'' in their interview this morning and even the interviewer (bless her and the balls Mendes and co. wish they had) asked them if they were being TONE DEAF. They should conduct that poll they’re bragging about now. You know... AFTER the biggest trade in franchise history and see if it's still a ''vocal minority'' they're dealing with. I guess none of them stopped to consider that maybe that ''vocal minority'' constitutes some of the die-hard fans who invests their hard earned money into season tickets, merchandise, etc.

Again, I'm excited to see what the kids can do this year. I really am. And I couldn't switch team or turn my back on the Sens if I tried. I ****ing bleed Sens. But no way I'm putting a penny more into that mess at the top. As long as the same people will run this organization, no money of mine will go into their pockets and I'll be watching the games from home. Good luck to those who show up to the CTC. Enjoy those 12$ parking spots.

IV) From september 9, 2018

Ranked from best to worst, here's a little (or huge) write up for those who missed this weekend’s event and/or haven’t been keeping tab of the prospect pool lately:

1. C Colin White (Game I)
Throughout the summer, I kept penciling Logan Brown in as the big club’s no. 2 center. I was convinced it was Brown’s job to lose and I was wrong. It’s Colin White’s and between the two of them it’s not close. After more injury issues and an unimpressive first half of the season in Belleville, I soured on White. Yet, by the end of the season he had my complete attention again. Here’s a player that does everything well: offense, defense, engagement, compete level, intangibles, you name it. None of his skills will ever jump to your face, but yet, through his impeccable attention to details, he’ll often subtly be the best player on the ice. As immaculate and balanced a prospect as I’ve seen. I thought he looked fantastic at the summer scrimmage and had taken huge steps from the end of last season. He definitely reinforced that feeling in a game against a much lesser Montreal team where it would have been easy to hit cruise control. Instead, he was out there playing as if it was a regular season game up until Troy Mann took him and a few others off the ice late in game as they had nothing left to prove. While many are now sleeping on this guy, he might just reassert himself as a legitimate top prospect this season and sometime down the road, turn into a star. The only reason why he might begin on the wing in the NHL is that his faceoff skills still look iffy. That being said, long term, no question he’s a center and a very good one at that.

2. D Christian Wolanin (Game I)
He was the best defenseman and perhaps the best player on the ice friday. Through his polished and well-rounded game, his experience playing against men showed. He took calculated risks, skated flawlessly and played a clean defensive game, tying up sticks, taking the body when needed, deflecting shots, etc. He once again asserted himself as a very fine all-rounder on the backend. So unless Boro and Harpur learned how to play good, consistent hockey this summer, there is no way either of them should be on the main roster ahead of this guy. Right now, he’s right there with Ceci as the best defenseman on the team after Karlsson and Chabot.

3. LW Brady Tkachuk (Game I)
I’ll say it. I would have picked Quinton Hughes. Then Filip Zadina. Then Adam Boqvist or Brady Tkachuk. I didn’t hate the pick. Thought Brady looked fantastic at the world juniors and had a similar game to his brother whom I just love. In fact, in december 2017, I pictured Brady Tkachuk in a Sens Jersey and thought it was an incredible sight. Little did anybody know then that we’d be the 2nd worst team in the NHL and pick 4th overall. Would I’ve gone for the better top end talent at that spot? Yes. But chances are I would have been wrong and I completely embrace it now.

Tkachuk didn’t play in the second game of this event and I couldn’t come up with a single player in the entire organisation that could fill the hole he left on the ice or replace his presence. He might not be the best goal scorer or the flashiest skater from his draft class, but it turns out he’s not too shabby in either department. The confidence and swagger he brings to the ice in addition to his solid all around skills is an unique blend. One I can see dragging a good team to greatness. Here’s a player that anyone should be able to close their eyes and picture as the face of the franchise down the road. Just as Jonathan Toews and Gabe Landeskog are, he’s one of those guys that defines the team’s identity.

It was a fantastic first pro game from Brady Tkachuk. A dominant performance from start to finish. Two goals, one post, countless scoring chances, the jaw-dropping board work, the work ethic, the edge. It was all there. A man among boys. Only, at 18 years old, he’s still a boy himself. Get this guy’s jersey while it’s still affordable folks. He’s a player and he’s in Ottawa to stay.

4. LW Alex Formenton (Game I & II)
Here’s the deal: Alex Formenton could play in the NHL this season and no one would blink. His disruptive speed, both on attack and defense, is incredible. Really. A sight to behold. His compete level is impeccable. He’s a dangerous PKer and a constant treat 5v5 due to sheer speed. He had a great first game with all the top end talent around and was far and away the best player on the ice in the second. The only question when it comes to this guy is Guy Boucher. As in what role would Guy Boucher allow him to have if he sticks to the big club? I’ll believe it when I see it that Boucher is this new coach that’s going from giving youngsters 4mins/night to allowing them to play and make mistakes in important roles.

The good news is that even if Alex Formenton’s development is screwed and he plateaus skill wise from here on out, he’s still a Michael Grabner or a bigger Ryan Dzingel. However, if he takes the the next step offensively and fully develops physically, he’s a prime Rick Nash or a better rounded Evander Kane.
Tough decision coming for the organization on this one, though with Brady Tkachuk now in the fold at the same position and Guy Boucher still in Ottawa, it should be much easier. Formenton should go back to London with a single mandate. Dominate. Score 100+ points, prove that he can be an offensive cornerstone on a stacked Knights team and consider his spot in Ottawa’s top 6 locked for the 2019-2020 season. Whatever the decision ends up being, Sens fans all around should be back-flipping, high fiving and hugging. At still just 18 years old, Alex Formenton is an electric player.

5. C Filip Chlapik (Game I)
The forgotten and often overlooked prospect among the fan base. He was arguably the best player on an abysmal Belleville team last year. He’s more flashy, more offensively skilled and better at faceoffs than Colin White though he’s also much less defensively polished and details oriented than the latter. Both have a nasty edge to their game, though Chlapik tends to lose it more often and be the more undisciplined player while White manages to remain a sneaky pest. Just as he was throughout summer camp, he was absolutely dominant in the first game of this event. Crisp passes, great awareness, solid skating. The tools are all there for this guy to be a very good NHL player. Both him and White are physically mature and will battle it out for the open center spot in Ottawa. The only real knock I can find in Chlapik’s game right now is that he still oddly falls to the ice alot and compared to White, is somewhat more easily knocked down or off the puck.

6. D Christian Jaros (Game I)
An absolutely brutal and dominant force out there that comes in the form of a complete package. The shooting, the passing, the skating, the smarts, the awareness, the nasty nasty edge. It’s all there. From day one people have been saying "Mark Borowiecki" and I’ve been whispering "Shea Weber". In my eyes, the only thing missing here is consistency and Jaros will get the chance to establish it in Belleville this season before making the jump to Ottawa where I reckon he’ll make quite the impression.

7. D Maxime Lajoie (Game I & II)
Perhaps the best unknown prospect in the Sens system right now. He’s Thomas Chabot minus the flash and top end offensive skill. He’s a fantastic skater, has a great mind, a great defensive conscience and is surprisingly physical and strong. Still needs time in the AHL to polish his game and perhaps be the go-to guy down there, but there’s little doubt in my mind that #58 will be a player at some point and by the looks of things, perhaps a very very good one.

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[Wallet Inspector]

Condon and Brassard trades were good, Phaneuf one was alright since we got rid of his contract, but the rest are below average or just plain bad.

 

[BonHoonLayneCornell]

Loved the Duchene trade at the time as I felt we really needed to upgrade on Turris and was glad we didn't sign him to that contract. Now? Ya it hurts.

 

[Very Stable Genius]

Condon and Brassard trades were good, Phaneuf one was alright since we got rid of his contract, but the rest are below average or just plain bad.

2nd Brassard trade was good, 1st Brassard trade was not.

 

[Do Make Say Think]

Loved the Duchene trade at the time as I felt we really needed to upgrade on Turris and was glad we didn't sign him to that contract. Now? Ya it hurts.

I love Turris but he wasn't going to cut it as a top line C on a cup winner. You need someone better.

Everybody thrashed Duchene after the trade because the Sens were absolute hot garbage for like two months or something but no one talked about Turris fading and being mostly ineffective in the playoffs this year. Mean while Duchene was on fire but it doesn't count?

If the 1st pick we end up giving up is a top 5 pick then, yeah, doesn't look great. But we aren't there yet. Hopefully we sign Duchene, Karlsson and Stone, Chabot, Dzingle, White and Chlapik have strong seasons and we make the playoffs.

If that happens? We are golden. And yes it seems unlikely but it can still happen. Hoffman getting traded was step 1. Let's hope this keeps up.

 

[Gil Gunderson]

Mad scientist.

 

[Benjamin]

Dorion can be described in one simple word: Yikes

In is a bunch of scrubs minus Duchene

Out is half of a decent core

 

[L'Aveuglette]

I love Turris but he wasn't going to cut it as a top line C on a cup winner. You need someone better.

Everybody thrashed Duchene after the trade because the Sens were absolute hot garbage for like two months or something but no one talked about Turris fading and being mostly ineffective in the playoffs this year. Mean while Duchene was on fire but it doesn't count?

If the 1st pick we end up giving up is a top 5 pick then, yeah, doesn't look great. But we aren't there yet. Hopefully we sign Duchene, Karlsson and Stone, Chabot, Dzingle, White and Chlapik have strong seasons and we make the playoffs.

If that happens? We are golden. And yes it seems unlikely but it can still happen. Hoffman getting traded was step 1. Let's hope this keeps up.

The Duchene trade would be great if we hadn't sent our 1st along. Nothing can justify that.

 

[ReginKarlssonLehner]

It's funny really, if he manages to re-sign EK and make have a homerun first round on Friday then he'll be viewed as a legend.

If he fails to do either he'll be viewed as the worst GM we've ever had.

Sucks that he doesn't have full leverage in the first decision with the man above him pulling his strings too.

 

[YouGotAStuGoing]

It's funny really, if he manages to re-sign EK and make have a homerun first round on Friday then he'll be viewed as a legend.

Oof. You're stretching the meaning of the word 'legend' quite a bit here.

 

[Do Make Say Think]

The Duchene trade would be great if we hadn't sent our 1st along. Nothing can justify that.

I think it was an acceptable price to pay for a top line C. They do not tend to be available at 26 years old.

Would you still think it was a bad trade if we sign everyone and Duchene has a strong season and we make the playoffs?

That could still happen. Trading Hoffman for scraps was the first step and it's always the hardest.

 

[BonHoonLayneCornell]

I love Turris but he wasn't going to cut it as a top line C on a cup winner. You need someone better.

Everybody thrashed Duchene after the trade because the Sens were absolute hot garbage for like two months or something but no one talked about Turris fading and being mostly ineffective in the playoffs this year. Mean while Duchene was on fire but it doesn't count?

If the 1st pick we end up giving up is a top 5 pick then, yeah, doesn't look great. But we aren't there yet. Hopefully we sign Duchene, Karlsson and Stone, Chabot, Dzingle, White and Chlapik have strong seasons and we make the playoffs.

If that happens? We are golden. And yes it seems unlikely but it can still happen. Hoffman getting traded was step 1. Let's hope this keeps up.

I like your thinking!

Duchene over Turris every day of the week. If we can just do well enough that the pick isn't in that top 5-10 range AND sign Duchene long term, I'm just fine with the deal.

 

[bdp]

So not counting things that are a complete write off/mostly without value, basically boils down to:

Duchene, Gustavsson, 22nd overall 2018, Formenton

for

Zibanejad, Turris, Hoffman, Bowers, Dahlen, 4th overall 2018 or 1st 2019, 33rd overall 2018

 

[L'Aveuglette]

I think it was an acceptable price to pay for a top line C. They do not tend to be available at 26 years old.

Would you still think it was a bad trade if we sign everyone and Duchene has a strong season and we make the playoffs?

That could still happen. Trading Hoffman for scraps was the first step and it's always the hardest.

Duchene needed to get out of Colorado. Sakic wasn't in a position to get the plethora of riches he received for him. If Dorion was a good GM, he would have managed not to give up the 1st along with all those other pieces Colorado got from Ottawa and Nashville.

I know we're used to getting fleeced at this point but there are teams that win trades out there sometimes, or at least break even. Dorion always seems to give up too much to get his man.

 

[Samboni]

Looking at what we gave up to get Matt Duchene, we have get more back if EK is traded,

 

[DJB]

Impossible to evaluate Dorions deals fairly. Nearly each one has been money driven.

 

[Hale The Villain]

So not counting things that are a complete write off/mostly without value, basically boils down to:

Duchene, Gustavsson, 22nd overall 2018, Formenton

for

Zibanejad, Turris, Hoffman, Bowers, Dahlen, 4th overall 2018 or 1st 2019, 33rd overall 2018

It's actually unbelievable how bad Dorion has screwed us in trades.

Only GM worse at managing assets might be Bergevin.

 

[Benttheknee]

Most of the deals were designed to save money. Put the money in and it looks more balanced.

 

[BondraTime]

Most of the deals were designed to save money. Put the money in and it looks more balanced.

Looks more balanced on a spread sheet, still looks like dog turds from an on ice perspective

 

[Ice-Tray]

We want a pile of riches when we trade away good players, but don't expect to give a pile of riches to get good players.

Classic HF.

 

[Benjamin]

We want a pile of riches when we trade away good players, but don't expect to give a pile of riches to get good players.

Classic HF.

This is how you justify how little we return for our players?

 

[SPF6ty9]

I think it was an acceptable price to pay for a top line C. They do not tend to be available at 26 years old.

Would you still think it was a bad trade if we sign everyone and Duchene has a strong season and we make the playoffs?

That could still happen. Trading Hoffman for scraps was the first step and it's always the hardest.

The price was maybe a slight overpay but acceptable for a player of that caliber.

The main problem was the circumstances surrounding the deal. Everyone could see that we had a pretty flukey run in the playoffs (not hyperbole, basically take your pick of underlying statistics). We were not seen as a consistent contender, which is the type of team that would have made that deal should be. And now we're in a spot where for every 1 reason Duchene may want to re-sign here, the team has given him about 5 not to. The more shrewd move would likely have been to wait things out further...what was the rush? See where the team was after more than 10 games or so and by then the price likely would have come down.

To re-iterate, I didn't like the trade but didn't hate it. Definitely think we could have gone about it much better.

And looking at that list, thing that sticks out most: 4 top 6 forwards out, only 1 in.

 

[Ice-Tray]

This is how you justify how little we return for our players?

Just what we paid for the Duchene, I loved the trade then, and still love it now. It doesn't mean that I don't recognize that next year's pick could be a good one for the Avs, but we got the player the Avs hope their assets can be as good as, and as long as we extend him he's worth the assets in my mind.

I'm ok with Zibs return (obvious cash/pick stuff aside), and the sweet run makes the Burrows trade palatable for me despite his drop off this year (I know people think we could have done it anyways, but I'm definitely a bird in hand kind of guy with my sports) And I was a fan of Burrows in Van seeing as how it's technically my home team.

I'm not happy with the return on Havlat, Spezza, Heatley, or Hoffman, but each of these players screwed us. We must have the worst luck with good players tanking their value for us before leaving, and that's spanning over three GM's!

 

[R2010]

Lazar trade was really good. Counterbalance to the Burrows trade in some ways. Trading a borderline NHL player for a high end prospect.

 

[Uchiha]

Terrible GM but an even worse attitude.