Phoenix LV: is Has Left the Building

[Fourier]

lol, you know. Back in the Ballsillie thread days I quickly realized these phx threads consistent of a close knit band of posters who spend half their time discussing 'Whether 'tis nobler in the mind to suffer the bankruptcy and governors votes of outrageous fortune. Or to take arms against a sea of Winnipeg/Hamilton/Quebec City'. And the other half basking over some good natured wit.

and yes that was my attempt at wit... don't laugh

Ah the Basillie days. Those were innocent times. We were young and foolish and thought this would be resolved by rational actions. How foolish youth can be.

 

[powerstuck]

And how does a contraction work on player contracts ? Lets say a player with still 3 years on his contract. Do a specific team takes him and pays the rest of the contract. I mean you can't just force 23 persons with contracts to lose their job and not say anything. So...would the league cover somewhere around 40-50M in contractual compensation (for some players for more than one year) ?

While contraction could be something it is not free and far from it. Oh and...how about that schedule released last week...it's not gut anymore.

 

[blues10]

And how does a contraction work on player contracts ? Lets say a player with still 3 years on his contract. Do a specific team takes him and pays the rest of the contract. I mean you can't just force 23 persons with contracts to lose their job and not say anything. So...would the league cover somewhere around 40-50M in contractual compensation (for some players for more than one year) ?

While contraction could be something it is not free and far from it. Oh and...how about that schedule released last week...it's not gut anymore.

Couldn't they just increase each teams roster by 1 player and there is an extra healthy scratch each night? No jobs are lost and 6 new ones are created.

Edit: of course the CAP would temporarily go up to make room and then dip after expansion.

It will not come to contraction.

 

[barneyg]

I'm going to speculate (as if there hasn't been enough already in this place)

Pollack/Hocking (or whomever) is basing the $172k figure on the fact that all tax monies generated through the Native American casinos in Arizona go to the state and are distributed statewide.

In other words.... just because the casino is in Glendale doesn't mean Glendale gets all the tax procedes for itself.

If the Tohonos CHOOSE to donate additional monies towards the city that is entirely up to them.

Here's the Pollack report on the Tohono Casino.

This is a much much much more solid report than the one regarding the Coyotes by the way. The differences are striking. A cynical comment would be that there's no way in hell Hocking touched this report.

I can't quite compare the $172k figure to the $3M that was floated here by the Tohono Nation, because the latter report is unclear on its sources.

 

[cbcwpg]

And just when you thought this was going to end.....

Lisa Halverstadt ‏@LisaHalverstadt
#Glendale spokeswoman: “We are working with the #NHL to extend the current contract for another 30 days.” #Coyotes

Lisa Halverstadt ‏@LisaHalverstadt
The #Glendale spokeswoman says the league and the city are still working out details. #Coyotes

The CoG is looking to extend the 30 day extention for another 30 days. July 26 2012 ( gotta put the year because you just never know ) And the wheels on the bus .......

 

[CasualFan]

And how does a contraction work on player contracts ? Lets say a player with still 3 years on his contract. Do a specific team takes him and pays the rest of the contract. I mean you can't just force 23 persons with contracts to lose their job and not say anything. So...would the league cover somewhere around 40-50M in contractual compensation (for some players for more than one year) ?
While contraction could be something it is not free and far from it.

Ordinarily, a dispersal draft would occur. Players are league assets, they can be transferred between teams without their consent. Most commonly that happens with a trade but it is analogous to contracting the team. I am not an expert on Coyotes players or their contracts but I'm willing to guess and say that none of them have a strict no-trade clause in their contract. Total guess here but Doan was probably the only one who might have had one but he's FA now so that is irrelevant. It would be unlikely that the league would pay any considerable amount in contract buyouts. We are compressing a complex subject into a paragraph but I disagree with your conclusion.

Also since we are in the midst of a labor negotiation, I'll play CasualBettman and just expand the roster to 24. There, now the league has a net addition of 6 jobs.

Oh and...how about that schedule released last week...it's not gut anymore.

I see. If the team were to relocate, wouldn't that require a new schedule as well?

 

[Merci*]

And just when you thought this was going to end.....

Lisa Halverstadt ‏@LisaHalverstadt
#Glendale spokeswoman: “We are working with the #NHL to extend the current contract for another 30 days.†#Coyotes

Lisa Halverstadt ‏@LisaHalverstadt
The #Glendale spokeswoman says the league and the city are still working out details. #Coyotes

The CoG is looking to extend the 30 day extention for another 30 days. July 26 2012 ( gotta put the year because you just never know ) And the wheels on the bus .......

The lease ran out today?

 

[Undertakerqc]

Dont know why you guys keep talking about contraction. It is not happening as the NHL said a few times that there are more desirable options then contraction (ie: relocation). Not happening folks!

 

[powerstuck]

Couldn't they just increase each teams roster by 1 player and there is an extra healthy scratch each night? No jobs are lost and 6 new ones are created.

Edit: of course the CAP would temporarily go up to make room and then dip after expansion.

It will not come to contraction.

I guess they could. But by contracting NHL (the 29 owners) are already down $170M, now, I know Rangers, Habs and Leafs have money to pay that extra guy. But what about Devils ? They may not have enough to sign Parise. What about who gets who ? I mean a team with 8 goalies gets Smith or do Flyers call dibs on him ?

How would a player who will now get scratched react to the fact that he had 10-15 min per game of playtime before contraction and now has 0.

Ordinarily, a dispersal draft would occur. Players are league assets, they can be transferred between teams without their consent. Most commonly that happens with a trade but it is analogous to contracting the team. I am not an expert on Coyotes players or their contracts but I'm willing to guess and say that none of them have a strict no-trade clause in their contract. Total guess here but Doan was probably the only one who might have had one but he's FA now so that is irrelevant. It would be unlikely that the league would pay any considerable amount in contract buyouts. We are compressing a complex subject into a paragraph but I disagree with your conclusion.

Also since we are in the midst of a labor negotiation, I'll play CasualBettman and just expand the roster to 24. There, now the league has a net addition of 6 jobs.

I get all that. But what you are saying thru contraction is that the NHL would be better off with it because they will lose only $170M now and gain $900M in a year with expansion. I am telling you that it might be better off taking the ''rumored/speculated'' $230M offer from PKP now and make a $60M profit NOW.

And I say this because I guarantee you that PKP nor anyone else in Quebec will pay more than $250-300M for an expansion team where you have to start everything from scratch.

It may happen in Ontario. But Quebec and almost certainly Seattle won't give you that kind on money, no way. PKP would be more wise to partner up with Wang and offer him a brand new arena some 700km north of his current home for free. PKP would make cash on TV contract and other non-hockey events in the arena and Wang would make cash on ticket sales and all merchandise related to the team...oh and NHL can't do nothing about it.

 

[Killion]

...and another thread bites the dust. Mind blowing. And what have we learned, achieved?.

 

[Kismet]

The CoG is looking to extend the 30 day extention for another 30 days. July 26 2012 ( gotta put the year because you just never know ) And the wheels on the bus .......

...keep revoLVIng?

 

[cbcwpg]

...and another thread bites the dust. Mind blowing. And what have we learned, achieved?.

Well if the CoG gets what it wants Re: post # 980 we will get another 30 threads.

 

[CasualFan]

Here's the Pollack report on the Tohono Casino.

This is a much much much more solid report than the one regarding the Coyotes by the way. The differences are striking. A cynical comment would be that there's no way in hell Hocking touched this report.

I can't quite compare the $172k figure to the $3M that was floated here by the Tohono Nation, because the latter report is unclear on its sources.

Amazing. Thanks for posting that. The difference in quality between the Pollack Casino and Pollack Coyotes studies is stunning.

 

[Evil Doctor]

The CoG is looking to extend the 30 day extention for another 30 days. July 26 2012 ( gotta put the year because you just never know ) And the wheels on the bus .......

Indeed, or to put it in another perspective...

May 5th, 2009: Day 1

June 26th, 2012: Day 1149

 

[MNNumbers]

...and another thread bites the dust. Mind blowing. And what have we learned, achieved?.

What have we actually learned in 55 of these? It's just a waiting game now, isn't it?

I like

Phoenix LVI: s Has Left the Building (Part the 2nd??)

As was suggested previously.

 

[Acesolid]

And just when you thought this was going to end.....

Lisa Halverstadt ‏@LisaHalverstadt
#Glendale spokeswoman: “We are working with the #NHL to extend the current contract for another 30 days.†#Coyotes

Lisa Halverstadt ‏@LisaHalverstadt
The #Glendale spokeswoman says the league and the city are still working out details. #Coyotes

The CoG is looking to extend the 30 day extention for another 30 days. July 26 2012 ( gotta put the year because you just never know ) And the wheels on the bus .......

Why? How? What? Will this ever end!!? Dang it! It's getting absurd! (oh wait, it already was!)


Or maybe the NHL will do the right thing, refuse the 30 days expension from the city and end this insanity? Who knows?

 

[Killion]

Well if the CoG gets what it wants Re: post # 980 we will get another 30 threads.

...this is just not going to end, is it?. The beast refuses to be bought locally, for relo, die. The teams staying put, the NHL's going to somehow someway buy themselves another year from the COG & we'll all be exactly where we are right now in 12mnths. If you arent certifiable already, you soon will be.

 

[powerstuck]

What have we actually learned in 55 of these? It's just a waiting game now, isn't it?

I like

Phoenix LVI: s Has Left the Building (Part the 2nd??)

As was suggested previously.

What about : Phoenix LVI: s Has Left the Building...Soon (TM)

 

[Antaya]

I'm lost on the whole LVI thing..... :S :S

 

[RECCE]

The JIG is up.

 

[MNNumbers]

I'm lost on the whole LVI thing..... :S :S

LVI = Roman numeral 56, that's how many threads in the whole saga.

Phonetically, it reads, "Elvis has left the building..." A famous quote.

I want to start the next one, but I don't know how to do it and create a link to the next one to post here.

 

[Niagara67]

55,000 posts in this thread? Anyone want to print them all out and see how big a book it makes?

 

[WildGopher]

...this is just not going to end, is it?. The beast refuses to be bought locally, for relo, die. The teams staying put, the NHL's going to somehow someway buy themselves another year from the COG & we'll all be exactly where we are right now in 12mnths. If you arent certifiable already, you soon will be.

Pretty sure we're going to be right where we are now in 12 months . . . after a series of 25 two-week extensions. So, yes, we're all going to certifiable before this is over.

 

[Antaya]

LVI = Roman numeral 56, that's how many threads in the whole saga.

Phonetically, it reads, "Elvis has left the building..." A famous quote.

I want to start the next one, but I don't know how to do it and create a link to the next one to post here.

LMFAO I wouldn't have ever put that together myself...that's clever lol

 

[Wheathead]

LVI: Thread postphoned for 2 weeks