Phoenix CVIII: Audits and Losses and RFPs! Oh My!

[Llama19]

Agenda (Item #21) link: https://glendale-az.legistar.com/View.ashx?M=A&ID=397165&GUID=1F724820-16F3-4750-850A-FF659B709285

Direct agreement link: https://glendale-az.legistar.com/View.ashx?M=F&ID=4004583&GUID=8877A173-5022-4A66-A3BB-7E5AE3BA10EE

Link to previous RFPs: http://www.glendaleaz.com/purchasing/beacon.cfm

Click to read more...

 

[kdb209]

In the beginning ... the first Phoenix fiasco thread!!! (?)
03-04-2007 Coyotes to lose 30M?

12-08-2008 Hockey in The Desert (Phoenix franchise and finance/business matters)
02-04-2009 Hockey in the Desert II (Phoenix Coyotes franchise and business matters)

Fresh from Al Capone's Geraldo Rivera's Evil Doctor's Vault - The Lost Thread:
04-28-2009 The Arizona Republic: NHL loan keeps Coyotes operating

05-05-2009 Balsillie puts in $212.5 mil offer for the Coyotes
05-07-2009 Balsillie/Phoenix part II
05-18-2009 Balsillie/Phoenix part III
05-22-2009 Balsillie/Phoenix part IV
06-03-2009 Balsillie/Phoenix part V
06-09-2009 Balsillie/Phoenix Part VI
06-12-2009 Balsillie/Phoenix Part VII: I'm just waitin' on a judge
06-16-2009 Balsillie/Phoenix Part VIII: It's dead, Jim
06-24-2009 Balsillie/Phoenix Part IX: 'Dorf on Hockey
07-25-2009 Phoenix bankruptcy/ownership Part X: The Truth? You Can't Handle The Truth!
08-03-2009 Phoenix bankruptcy/ownership Part XI: A Fistful of Dollars?
08-07-2009 Phoenix bankruptcy/ownership Part XII: For a Few Dollars More
08-12-2009 Phoenix bankruptcy/ownership Part XIII: The Good, The Bad, and The Ugly
08-21-2009 Phoenix bankruptcy/ownership Part XIV: The Wrath of Baum
08-27-2009 Phoenix bankruptcy/ownership Part XV - SITREP: SNAFU
09-02-2009 Phoenix bankruptcy/ownership Part XVI: Barbarian at the Gate
09-08-2009 Phoenix bankruptcy/ownership Part XVII: Wake Me Up When September Ends
09-10-2009 Phoenix bankruptcy/ownership Part XVIII: Is that a pale horse in the distance?
09-12-2009 Phoenix bankruptcy Part XIX: How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the Baum
09-21-2009 Phoenix Bankruptcy Part XX: There Will Be Baum
09-28-2009 Phoenix Bankruptcy Part XXI: 2009 -- A Sports Odyssey
10-26-2009 Phoenix Bankruptcy Part XXII: Long and winding road

11-24-2009 Keeping up with potential owners for NHL Phoenix Coyotes (UPD: Ice Edge signs LOI)
03-14-2010 Part II. Potential owners of NHL's Phoenix Coyotes
03-26-2010 Part III. Prospective Owners - Phoenix Coyotes (UPD Lease vote 4/13; IEH signs MOU)
04-10-2010 Part IV Phoenix Coyotes post bankrtuptcy; UPD COG approves Reinsdorf MOU, not IEH MOU
05-02-2010 Part V Phoenix Coyotes post bankruptcy UPD Reinsdorf out? IEH back in? else Winnipeg?
05-11-2010 Part VI Phoenix Coyotes post bankruptcy
05-23-2010 Part VII Phoenix Coyotes post bankrtuptcy
06-07-2010 Part VIII: Phoenix Coyotes Post-bankrtuptcy
06-22-2010 Part IX: Phoenix Coyotes Post-bankruptcy UPD: Pres Moss fired 6/30 with IEH input
07-26-2010 Part X: Phoenix Coyotes - Between Scylla and Charybdis
08-27-2010 Part XI: Phoenix Coyotes -- Greetings, Starfighter, You have been selected ...
09-16-2010 Part XII: Phx Coyotes - Still haven't found what I'm looking for
10-12-2010 Part XIII: Phoenix Coyotes - The Final Cut?
10-27-2010 Part XIV: Phoenix Coyotes - To Infinity And Beyond....
12-05-2010 Part XV: Phoenix - the battle of evermore
12-14-2010 Part XVI: Phoenix -- Money for Nothing
12-20-2010 Part XVII: Phoenix -- Thread Title Available For Lease
01-09-2011 Part XVIII: Phoenix -- Imminence Front
01-24-2011 Phoenix XIXth: Nervous Breakdown
02-02-2011 Phoenix XX: Two weeks
02-11-2011 Phoenix XXI: When will then be now?
02-22-2011 Phoenix XXII: It's Now or Never
02-28-2011 Phoenix XXIII - Bond: The Phoenix Project
03-03-2011 Phoenix XXIV: How many twists does the scriptwriter have left?
03-07-2011 Phoenix XXV: Anyone in the theatre seen a pale horse?
03-08-2011 Phoenix XXVI: Pain in the AZ
03-11-2011 Phoenix XXVII: Can we all get along?
03-16-2011 Phoenix XXVIII: Lawyers, Bonds and Money
03-20-2011 Phoenix XXIX: What's the next act? I'm tired of the dog & pony show
03-22-2011 Phoenix Part XXX Hulz, you gotta get a gimmick if you want to get ahead
03-27-2011 Phoenix Part XXXI: I feel I'm in a time loop
04-05-2011 Phoenix Part XXXII: Bridge over Troubled Goldwater
04-14-2011 Phoenix XXXIII: Sound of Silence
04-20-2011 Phoenix XXXIV: Project Mayhem
04-25-2011 Phoenix XXXV: Several Species of Small Furry Animals Gathered Together in a Cave...
05-03-2011 Phoenix XXXVI - There's got to be a morning after
05-10-2011 Phoenix XXXVII - The Heat is On

Followed by the Interregnum between Kings Phoenix the XXXVII-th and Phoenix the XXXVIII-th:

[PYTHON]
The most interesting thing about King Charles, the first
Is that he was 5 foot 6 inches tall at the start of his reign
But only 4 foot 8 inches tall at the end of it because of
Oliver Cromwell, Lord Protector of England Puritan
Born in 1599 and died in 1658 September
[/PYTHON]

06-09-2011 ESPN's Burnside: Hulsizer submitted new deal; COG city manager dragging it out
06-20-2011 Coyotes related: Westgate faces foreclosure
06-21-2011 Phoenix, worst case scenario

Finally, the realm was restored ...

06-27-2011 Phoenix XXXVIII: Hulsizer Pulls Bid For Coyotes
08-16-2011 Phoenix XXXIX: You Never Give Me Your Money
10-18-2011 Phoenix XL: Rich Man's World
12-07-2011 Phoenix XLI: Bongo Fury
01-06-2012 Phoenix XLII: The Answer to the Ultimate Question of Life, the Universe and Everything
02-02-2012 Phoenix XLIII: How to Bake Cupcakes in Less Than Two Weeks
02-28-2012 Phoenix XLIV: Ignorance & Apathy (or I Doan't know & I Doan't Care)
03-28-2012 Phoenix XLV: You can't YANDLE the truth!
04-11-2012 Phoenix XLVI: (Tre)living on a prayer
04-21-2012 Phoenix XLVII: More Threads than Superbowls
05-01-2012 Phoenix XLVIII: Of Mice and Lieberman
05-08-2012 Phoenix XLIX: Smoke & Mirrors
05-21-2012 Phoenix L: AllByDesign?
05-30-2012 Phoenix LI: es, Damn Lies, and Arena Management Fees
06-06-2012 Phoenix LII: Goodnight, Sweet Lieberman
06-08-2012 Phoenix LIII: How the GWInch Stole Phoenix
06-12-2012 Phoenix LIV:E and Let Die
06-19-2012 Phoenix LV: is Has Left the Building
06-26-2012 Phoenix LVI: s is Still Dead (or Maybe Working at a 7-11 in Glendale)
07-04-2012 Phoenix LVII (or MDCCLXXVI): Declarations of (In)Dependence
07-13-2012 Phoenix LVIII; Will jobbing get jobbed?
07-30-2012 Phoenix LIX: The JIG is up?
08-18-2012 Phoenix LX: Pinocchio's Furniture
09-07-2012 Phoenix LXI; We agreed to pay HOW MUCH‽
09-26-2012 Phoenix LXII: Abandon Hope all Ye Who Enter Here
10-16-2012 Phoenix LXIII: Have Become, Comfortably Numb;
11-06-2012 Phoenix LXIV: Will You Still Need Me, Will You Still Read Me, on Thread LXIV?
11-21-2012 Phoenx LXV: The word is... give me a minute.... "Omnishambles"... "Omnishambles"
11-27-2012 Phoenix LXVI: Get Your Kicks On Thread LXVI
12-18-2012 Phoenix LXVII: Route66 - Aftermath
01-15-2013 Phoenix LXVIII - "Watch out for that Tree"
01-25-2013 Phoenix LXIX: Thread of LXIX
01-30-2013 Phoenix LXX: Should they stay or should they go now?
02-01-2013 Phoenix LXXI: Daydream Belever
02-12-2013 Phoenix LXXII: Send in the Clowns
03-14-2013 Phoenix LXXIII: "This Space Available"
04-04-2013 Phoenix LXXIV: Be Seeing You
04-22-2013 Phoenix LXXV: It's Like Deja Vu All Over Again
05-02-3013 Phoenix LXXVI: Renaissance Men
05-13-2013 Phoenix LXXVII: Tired of Waiting For You
05-19-2013 Phoenix LXXVIII: Know When To Hold 'Em, Know When To Fold 'Em
05-25-2013 Phoenix LXXIX: This is The End, We Hope Not
05-29-2013 Phoenix LXXX: Is there another way out?
06-01-2013 Phoenix LXXXI: I'll Gladly Pay You Tuesday for Your Franchise Today!
06-08-2013 Phoenix LXXXII: "Waive Reading Beyond the Title"
06-12-2013 Phoenix LXXXIII: "Stuff's Gonna Happen"
06-14-2013 Phoenix LXXXIV: Planespotting Edition
06-16-2013 Phoenix LXXXV: A Bridge to Nowhere
06-20-2013 Phoenix LXXXVI: There's Always Money in the Banana Stand
06-24-2013 Phoenix LXXXVII: Hotel Arizona
06-26-2013 Phoenix LXXXVIII: The Final Cupcake?
06-28-2013 Phoenix LXXXIX: If you don't approve it, we must move it!
06-29-2013 Phoenix XC: Down to the Weiers
07-02-2013 Phoenix XCI: Never Gonna Give You Up
07-02-2013 Phoenix XCII: Movie Night In Glendale
07-02-2013 Phoenix XCIII: Vote for the Yote to Keep them Afloat, or That's all She Wrote!
07-02-2013 Phoenix XCIV: The team, the dream, the scheme
07-02-2013 Phoenix XCV: We Trust Gary Bettman
07-02-2013 Phoenix XCVI: The Government You Deserve ...
07-06-2013 Phoenix XCVII: Forget it, Jake. It's Glendale
07-19-2013 Phoenix XCVIII: 5tayin' Alive
08-05-2013 Phoenix XCIX: "I Got 99 Problems, But A Lease Ain’t Oneâ€
06-09-2015 Phoenix C: The F A.R.S Awakens
06-10-2015 Phoenix CI: TeA.R.S. for FeA.R.S.
06-12-2015 Phoenix CII: Oh, the pain the pain
06-17-2015 Phoenix CIII: Sue Me, Sue You Blues
06-21-2015 Phoenix CIV: May be time to put the band back together ...
06-29-2015 Phoenix CV: CoG went full-on haboob, man. Never go full-on haboob.
07-12-2015 Phoenix CVI: It's good to talk these things out
07-23-15 Phoenix CVII: Can yet the lease of my true love control


A couple whole bunch of Phoenix uThreads have popped up in the wake of the "To close, or not to close" mega-thread discussion:

03-16-2012 COG to spend more on Coyotes than public safety?
03-22-2012 Dreger (3/22): NHL to investigate "plan b" for Phoenix
03-23-2012 Sunnicks strikes again "will they stay or will they go now?"
03-28-2012 G&M: Architects of Glendale pro sports disaster won't be around for fallout
03-30-2012 Shoalts: Ice Edge talking about bringing (minor) hockey to the Job should Yotes leave
04-04-2012 Shoalts: Glendale Mayor Scruggs wants city's $$ back
04-05-2012 Coyotes CEO 'confident' team is staying in Glendale
04-05-2012 Puck Daddy: Coyotes battline relocation worries with public optimism
04-06-2012 A strong PHX team in the playoffs may bring a new owner.
04-10-2012 Father of PHX AGM Brad Treliving involved in keeping Coyotes in Glendale?
04-10-2012 PKP offer for Coyotes may be 230 million (mod: to QC w/relo $$)
04-10-2012 Beasley: Coyotes deal within a month
04-11-2012 Glendale, NHL trying to close Phoenix Coyotes deal with Jamison group
04-11-2012 Bettman: no timeline on Phoenix situation (AP)
04-13-2012 Adding up the Numbers in the Phoenix Jamison Bid
04-16-2012 COG's Lieberman calls for demonstration against Coyote deal
04-17-2012 COG - budget payment to Jamison group not to exceed $20m?
04-17-2012 GWI ready to scrutinize new deal
04-18-2012 Coyotes sale soon, five things to watch
04-21-2012 Jamison looking for more investors on Coyotes bid, could be 1-2 months away from deal
04-21-2012 Greg Jamison finally goes public with potential purchase of the Coyotes
04-24-2012 Glendale Busts its Budget; Pledges More Money for Yotes
04-27-2012 Coyotes working to convert bandwagon fans to full time fans
04-28-2-12 4/28: Coyote sale deal getting closer
04-30-2012 Phoenix Coyotes sale finalized May 8th? Hulsizer back in?
05-03-2012 Phoenix CEO/Pres Nealy - something could happen next week
05-04-2012 Feschuk: Phoenix Coyotes doing just fine, thanks
05-04-2012 If the yotes make the finals
05-04-2012 Former Coyotes owner Jerry Moyes assails NHL over Coyotes’ operations
05-07-2012 NHL to announce tentative deal re: sale to Jamison
05-08-2012 Sportsnet: COG promising $306mm over next 21 years
05-08-2012 Wall Street Journal: 'Glendale's Public Hockey Project' = Loss
05-17-2012 Phoenix saga: 5/22 end date
05-17-2012 Jamison signing preliminary sales docs with NHL 5/17 or 5/18
05-21-2012 Goldwater Inst. ready to sue Glendale over arena management deal
05-23-2012 COG council approves preliminary budget with $17m payment for arena management
05-25-2012 Preliminary draft of lease agreement for Jobing.com in hands of COG board
06-04-2012 Phoenix lease details
06-05-2012 Bettmans plan may unravel in Phoenix (vote coming 6/8)
06-06-2012 The angst of Phoenix -- from three major league teams to one (that use city name)
06-06-2012 Forbes: Jamison having trouble raising funds
06-07-2012 GWI letter to Glendale Mayor and Coucilmembers
06-07-2012 Arizona Free Enterprise Club opposes COG deal
06-07-2012 Goldwater Institute Files for Restraining Order
06-11-2012 Coyote name change on hold?
06-13-2012 13 June, Goldwater files suit
06-14-2012 Halverstadt on NHL Home Ice talking Coyotes
06-14-2012 Coyotes deadline "now"? NHL schedule releasing soon
06-15-2012 PBJ: CoG says they'll withstand GWI legal challenge
06-15-2012 AFEC considering ballot (referendum) and COG concil recall
06-18-2012 Phoenix Coyotes, NHL looking for legal counsel to represent team, arena
06-19-2012 Coyotes deal not immediately effective - Referendum to follow?
06-26-2012 COG + GWI agreement on non-emergency status
06-28-2012 Jones/Cobb v Glendale (Coyotes Court Case)
07-04-2012 Coyotes PAC formed
07-04-2012 COG city council candidates voice opposition to Coyotes deal
07-05-2012 Shoalts 7/5 update on Coyotes situation
07-09-2012 Coyotes lease referendum petition not submitted by 7/9
07-11-2012 Glendale rejects group's attempt to overturn sales-tax increase
07-12-2012 PBJ: Jamison group has funding for purchase of Coyotes
07-16-2012 2 COG referendum proponents gearing up for legal battle
07-26-2012 Jones & Cobb decide to NOT file lawsuit after their lease referendum rejected
07-26-2012 PBJ: 7/27 deadline for Coyotes sale?
07-28-2012 PBJ: 7/28: Jamison short $20mm?
07-31-2012 Glendale arena proposal scheduled to expire 7/31, extended another 31 days
08-01-2012 Mayoral candidates speaking out on Coyotes prospective owner
08-08-2012 PBJ: 8/8 Jamison group apparently now has the funds to buy Coyotes
08-10-2012 SBN's Five for Howling: Coyotes sale a done deal
08-16-2012 COG mayoral candidate: Rework proposed lease due to lockout
08-18-2012 CBA uncertainty delaying Coyotes sale?
08-24-2012 8/24: Appeals Court Orders Glendale Sales-Tax Measure to be put Back on Ballot
08-27-2012 8/27 COG extends lease (with NHL) again (pending sale to Jamison group)
08-29-2012 COG seeking change to negotiated proposed arena deal with Jamison
09-04-2012 ESPN Burnside has source that says Jamison's got funding, arena deal to be done
09-11-2012 PBJ: O’odham tribe now involved in Jamison's deal to buy team?
09-29-2012 Final details on Coyotes lease to be settled 10/3?
10-07-2012 Final vote on reworked Jobing.com lease coming 10/23?
10-08-2012 Deja vu, redux = COG talk about extending agreement with NHL another 30 days
11-01-2012 Dater: Phoenix reason for lockout
11-07-2012 Impact of Glendale election on fate of Phoenix Coyotes future
11-26-2012 COG to vote on revised lease 11/27
11-30-2012 Referendum starts process (against) Glendale arena deal with Jamison
12-21-2012 Jamison officially signs Jobing.com lease agreement
12-26-2012 Coyotes could break even, or even profit, if there are no games
12-27-2012 Shoalts: Jamison using US Green Cards to lure investors in Coyotes
01-06-2013 Sportsnet: Jamison group about to finalize Coyotes purchase
01-30-2013 Burnside, LeBrun: Sale of Coyotes to Jamison in Question
01-31-2012 NHL no longer denying relocation a possibility for the Coyotes?
02-01-2013 USA Today's Allen: NHL must continue committment to Phoenix
02-02-2013 Phoenix - Glendale vs Scottsdale
02-08-2013 Grant Woods leading (new) ownership group to (try to) buy Coyotes
02-12-2013 Hulsizer back to looking at buying Coyotes?
03-28-2013 Report: NHL may soon consider relocation for Coyotes; Ice Edge back in picture?
03-29-2013 Bettman: Hey COG, expect something in about a week
04-07-2013 Bettman: Interest in Phoenix franchise "higher than ever"
05-06-2013 Arizona Republic: True cost of running Jobing.com below what COG has paid
05-06-2013 COG Mayor: waiting on NHL to approve owner
05-11-2013 Californian Darin Pastor looking to finalize "premium" purchase of Coyotes
05-27-2013 5/28 NHL, COG, Renaissance meeting in Glendale
05-30-2013 Forbes: Phoenix Coyotes $170 Million Sale To Be Partially Funded By NHL
06-05-2013 4 firms submitted bids to run Jobing.com arena by deadline
06-12-2013 The Hockey News: Will the Coyotes move to Seattle this Summer?
06-13-2013 Glendale announces 4 bidders for Jobing.com management
06-14-2013 Yet another mystery buyer courting Glendale directly
06-15-2013 FSAZ/AP: Framework in place for new lease to keep Coyotes in Glendale
06-26-2013 Mystery Coyotes investor to partner with COG?
07-02-2013 Thread for Discussion of CoG/RSE Lease Agreement 7/2/13
08-05-2013 NHL: Sale of Coyotes is finalized
08-07-2013 SI: Coyotes not out of financial desert yet
08-07-2013 Report: Coyotes could host All-Star game soon

And, hey, why not, for completeness:

03-05-2010 NHL sues Jerry Moyes

 

[Mightygoose]

Beacon was hired the last time around - Weren't they?

Any thoughts the same firms will be bidding this time around assuming the vote passes

 

[Llama19]

Beacon was hired the last time around - Weren't they?

Any thoughts the same firms will be bidding this time around assuming the vote passes

The votes are already there for passage...

I would image three of the original four will be resubmitting...

 

[TheLegend]

YAAAAWWWN..... Like we didn't know this would happen?? Let the plane tracking begin!!!!!!

Like I previously said in the last MT thread.... it's a good move on Glendale's part. Although I think they could have done better than hiring Beacon again.

 

[Killion]

YAAAAWWWN..... Like we didn't know this would happen?? Let the plane tracking begin!!!!!!

Like I previously said in the last MT thread.... it's a good move on Glendale's part. Although I think they could have done better than hiring Beacon again.

Well now now TL. Yes we knew & its important that we track Glendales progress on this matter as its rather critical to the future of the Coyotes in Arizona at GRA. I just dont see how any franchise (excluding the Islanders of course; nor do we know what the details might be in LV between Foley & MGM/AEG) can survive anywhere without controlling/managing the building, access to all revenue streams. Particularly so in this case, any other market thats challenged really. Its entirely possible the City is merely going through the motions once again in floating an RFP to gain additional leverage in ultimately doing a deal with IceArizona or, as speculated & suggested, maybe they really dont want those guys managing the building beyond this year. I dont know, but they cant have their cake & eat it too. Just what kind of a deal an SMG or whomever could workout with IA I just have no idea as we dont even know what the criteria & parameters will be this time around so yes, again, worth tracking, watching. Id also be happier if theyd gone with some other consultant than Beacon. Some muddy water there, history thats none too savory. Started with a clean slate.

 

[Major4Boarding]

Agenda (Item #21) link: https://glendale-az.legistar.com/View.ashx?M=A&ID=397165&GUID=1F724820-16F3-4750-850A-FF659B709285

Direct agreement link: https://glendale-az.legistar.com/View.ashx?M=F&ID=4004583&GUID=8877A173-5022-4A66-A3BB-7E5AE3BA10EE

Link to previous RFPs: http://www.glendaleaz.com/purchasing/beacon.cfm

You gotta be ******** me

I mean I get it, I shouldn't be surprised right? But, I mean come on... hopefully its just $400 for one billable hour to reforward the same .pdf's

 

[knorthern knight]

September 8th?!?! Why didn't we get 2 weeks warning? Maybe this thread should be integrated into the mega-threads.

 

[TheLegend]

Well now now TL. Yes we knew & its important that we track Glendales progress on this matter as its rather critical to the future of the Coyotes in Arizona at GRA. I just dont see how any franchise (excluding the Islanders of course; nor do we know what the details might be in LV between Foley & MGM/AEG) can survive anywhere without controlling/managing the building, access to all revenue streams. Particularly so in this case, any other market thats challenged really. Its entirely possible the City is merely going through the motions once again in floating an RFP to gain additional leverage in ultimately doing a deal with IceArizona or, as speculated & suggested, maybe they really dont want those guys managing the building beyond this year. I dont know, but they cant have their cake & eat it too. Just what kind of a deal an SMG or whomever could workout with IA I just have no idea as we dont even know what the criteria & parameters will be this time around so yes, again, worth tracking, watching. Id also be happier if theyd gone with some other consultant than Beacon. Some muddy water there, history thats none too savory. Started with a clean slate.

Oh I agree it's important to follow this, K. Right now though I'm figuring out what the over/under will be on the snappy memes posted so I can double my vCash.

You gotta be ******** me

I mean I get it, I shouldn't be surprised right? But, I mean come on... hopefully its just $400 for one billable hour to reforward the same .pdf's

Well golllly Sarge!! I also suggested that in a recent megathread and everyone poopoo'd me like I was Private Pyle.

But I think you can forget Phoenix Monarch tho. Not sure they even exist anymore. The Scottsdale operator bunch that runs that small amptheater in Flagstaff still isn't going to cut it.

That leaves the SMG/Rojo and Phoenix Arena Development (Suns) bids.

 

[cbcwpg]

Well now now TL. Yes we knew & its important that we track Glendales progress on this matter as its rather critical to the future of the Coyotes in Arizona at GRA. I just dont see how any franchise (excluding the Islanders of course; nor do we know what the details might be in LV between Foley & MGM/AEG) can survive anywhere without controlling/managing the building, access to all revenue streams. Particularly so in this case, any other market thats challenged really. Its entirely possible the City is merely going through the motions once again in floating an RFP to gain additional leverage in ultimately doing a deal with IceArizona or, as speculated & suggested, maybe they really dont want those guys managing the building beyond this year. I dont know, but they cant have their cake & eat it too. Just what kind of a deal an SMG or whomever could workout with IA I just have no idea as we dont even know what the criteria & parameters will be this time around so yes, again, worth tracking, watching. Id also be happier if theyd gone with some other consultant than Beacon. Some muddy water there, history thats none too savory. Started with a clean slate.

And this is why people see this RFP process as being the "kiss of death" for the Coyotes, unless like you say it's a tool to get a better deal with IA. People always throw out Winnipeg as comparisons, so lets' do that. If today, just hypothetically, someone called ACME Inc. was to buy the Winnipeg Jets and was to start being just a tenant of the MTS Centre with nothing but gate and concession revenues, that team financially would be doomed. Not a surprise, because everyone knows the Jets only exist because the people that own the team, own the building.

Take away any form of subsidy or financial benefit that the Coyotes receive today by being the arena managers and make them solely a tenant paying rent to someone like SMG, and having to rely just on what they can make on game nights..... If I was a player I would make sure I had a real estate agent on speed dial.

 

[aqib]

So if/when the Coyotes get replaced as arena manager will they try and negotiate an out of the last year of their deal? Some radio host asked LeBlanc why he should commit and LeBlanc said after this season if there isn't a long term deal in place he shouldn't (it was in an earlier thread so no I don't have a link for it). So would Weiers and counsel extract a pound of flesh and make them play a lame duck season and lose $50 million in the process?

 

[MNNumbers]

So if/when the Coyotes get replaced as arena manager will they try and negotiate an out of the last year of their deal? Some radio host asked LeBlanc why he should commit and LeBlanc said after this season if there isn't a long term deal in place he shouldn't (it was in an earlier thread so no I don't have a link for it). So would Weiers and counsel extract a pound of flesh and make them play a lame duck season and lose $50 million in the process?

I can't imagine the negotiation would be difficult. The contract is 500K for rent. So, a buyout might well be 500K in cash, plus a small amount to cover lost tax revenue.

Far less that the $$ losses they would have staying as a tenant.

Sad part is that this makes it obvious that 15-16 is a lame duck year...

 

[Whileee]

The ideal scenario for Glendale would be for IA to submit a bid that could then be weighed against the others. I highly doubt they'll do that. Instead, I think they'll try to negotiate on a separate track and force Glendale to choose. If there are no good bids, it will strengthen IA's hand. If there are good options, IA will either have to commit to the market without huge subsidies or look to relocate. Depending on the timing, this season could turn into a lame duck at some point.

 

[JimAnchower]

Not surprising. Couple things with this.

1. Would there be any professional courtesy to call the old bidders to see if they are still interested and if their bid still stands? If so, it could be quick.

2. Joyce Clark raised an interesting point about IA keeping the parking and ticket surcharge fees this year. I would figure that the COG is going to tell them they can't keep those surcharges after this coming year. That could significantly impact IA's bid as they are two big revenue streams.

http://joyceclarkunfiltered.com/glendale-arena-request-for-proposal/

 

[aqib]

I can't imagine the negotiation would be difficult. The contract is 500K for rent. So, a buyout might well be 500K in cash, plus a small amount to cover lost tax revenue.

Far less that the $$ losses they would have staying as a tenant.

Sad part is that this makes it obvious that 15-16 is a lame duck year...

Sure it wouldn't be expensive but only if Glendale is willing to take it. After all the angst that the Coyotes have caused the counsel it would be fun if the counsel decided to just stick it to IA and make them play that last season in front of 5000 fans a night.

 

[Mightygoose]

Sure it wouldn't be expensive but only if Glendale is willing to take it. After all the angst that the Coyotes have caused the counsel it would be fun if the counsel decided to just stick it to IA and make them play that last season in front of 5000 fans a night.

I guess also would the new arena manager would want the Coyotes there for 16-17. If they start the contract on July 1, I think it will take them some time to get the bookings coming in.

So, yes it's possible the city doesn't want them to leave early and fill that gap.

 

[The Feckless Puck]

After all the angst that the Coyotes have caused the counsel it would be fun if the counsel decided to just stick it to IA and make them play that last season in front of 5000 fans a night.

You and I have extremely different definitions of "fun."

 

[blues10]

I can't imagine the negotiation would be difficult. The contract is 500K for rent. So, a buyout might well be 500K in cash, plus a small amount to cover lost tax revenue.

Far less that the $$ losses they would have staying as a tenant.

Sad part is that this makes it obvious that 15-16 is a lame duck year...

I thought that it has been repeatledly cliamed by some that this is a very substantial amount of money. Tens of millions of dollars.

The COG should make IA pay a very hefty price to leave a year early.

Will IA even submit a proposal or negotiate on the side like last time. This will give the COG good leverage to force IA to make a reasonable offer and if not there are going to be some lame ducks flying south for the winter on 16-17.

What a fool Tony was for hiring Tindal.

 

[Fugu]

I thought that it has been repeatledly cliamed by some that this is a very substantial amount of money. Tens of millions of dollars.

The COG should make IA pay a very hefty price to leave a year early.

Will IA even submit a proposal or negotiate on the side like last time. This will give the COG good leverage to force IA to make a reasonable offer and if not there are going to be some lame ducks flying south for the winter on 16-17.

What a fool Tony was for hiring Tindal.

That truly resulted in one of the most unexpected and implausible conclusions to this matter.

 

[Killion]

And this is why people see this RFP process as being the "kiss of death" for the Coyotes, unless like you say it's a tool to get a better deal with IA.... If I was a player I would make sure I had a real estate agent on speed dial.

Yeah. Seriously hamstrung with player contracts, sponsors, everything...... And yes, floating the RFP gives the COG further leverage for sure whereby, and this would include your next post...

Will IA even submit a proposal or negotiate on the side like last time.

... IA would be negotiating separately from the RFP. Hope a deal gets done, Glendale dropping the process altogether as per 2013.

 

[aqib]

Yeah. Seriously hamstrung with player contracts, sponsors, everything...... And yes, floating the RFP gives the COG further leverage for sure whereby, and this would include your next post...



... IA would be negotiating separately from the RFP. Hope a deal gets done, Glendale dropping the process altogether as per 2013.

Yeah except last time it was Sherwood was running point on that. Even if he isn't recalled I doubt he gets the leeway to do that.

 

[JimAnchower]

Some articles about this from the last few days.

Is there a cap to the new Beacon contract? Last time, there was a $100K cap.

Glendale hired Beacon under a similar $400 per hour contract in 2013 when it was going through Coyotes drama. That contract was capped at $100,000.
There is no language in documents posted by Glendale for the new contract on the maximum amount Beacon could receive. Glendale officials were checking on more specific contract details Friday.

http://www.bizjournals.com/phoenix/news/2015/09/04/life-after-the-coyotes-glendale-looks-at-400-per.html

How much direct benefit do the Coyotes bring Glendale? That will be the key question that needs to be answered if there is a big gap between what the other bidders bid and what the Coyotes bid. The Suns/Live Nation bid $1M last time, so if the Coyotes keep their current bid, that is a $5.5M difference.

In 2013, Live Nation and the ownership of the Phoenix Suns submitted a joint bid to manage Gila River Arena for approximately $1 million. The Coyotes' ownership, Ice Arizona, offered to manage the arena for $15 million, which is the deal the city signed.

http://www.abc15.com/sports/sports-blogs-local/glendale-to-consider-seeking-new-gila-river-arena-manager

As one expects, Sherwood doesn't like the deal.

But Councilman Gary Sherwood said he thinks Glendale should spend the rest of 2015 trying to broker a new management agreement with the Coyotes. If a deal can't be reached, then the city should hire the firm in January, Sherwood said.

“It’s sending a message to the Coyotes that we’re more interested in farming this thing out, the arena management deal, than sitting down with them and negotiating something that is fair for both sides,†Sherwood said.

http://kjzz.org/content/186896/proposed-glendale-agreement-would-open-door-new-gila-river-arena-manager

 

[blues10]

Some articles about this from the last few days.



As one expects, Sherwood doesn't like the deal.



http://kjzz.org/content/186896/proposed-glendale-agreement-would-open-door-new-gila-river-arena-manager

Hmmmmm. Is it not in the COG's best interest to know what the RFP process digs up prior to negotiating with IA? It would seem to put some pressure on Tony and the poor boys to bring a reasonable offer to the table. Seems like the prudent thing for the COG to do is send out the RFP. If Tony's feelings are hurt he should look no farther than his actions towards the COG the past several years. Where's the audit Tony?

Ahhh, the days of the school girl media tour bring back fond memories.

LeBlanc: 'The most shameful exhibition of government I have ever witnessed'

http://www.foxsports.com/arizona/st...ase-deal-with-coyotes-061015?vid=462517315809

 

[Killion]

Ahhh, the days of the school girl media tour bring back fond memories.

Yeah. How to load a double gauge & blow your feet clean off. Need the Jaws of Life to pull both of your feet out of your mouth. Good job Tony. Talk about biting the hand that feeds you. Junkyard Dog. And of course with all the contrition & cheap talk, a little late to be trying to lay on the good manners. Really leaves one wondering if the City has any interest whatsoever in negotiating with IceArizona period. How are you supposed to believe anything they tell you? Once trust is broken like that... well, good luck. Then again, with Beacon involved, I really dont have the greatest of confidence that already this process isnt compromised. Shoulda outsourced elsewhere. Maybe Sportsmark or someone like that. Several reputable consultants available. No question marks, clean slate. We'll see.

 

[SunDancer]

Yeah. How to load a double gauge & blow your feet clean off. Need the Jaws of Life to pull both of your feet out of your mouth. Good job Tony. Talk about biting the hand that feeds you. Junkyard Dog. And of course with all the contrition & cheap talk, a little late to be trying to lay on the good manners. Really leaves one wondering if the City has any interest whatsoever in negotiating with IceArizona period. How are you supposed to believe anything they tell you? Once trust is broken like that... well, good luck. Then again, with Beacon involved, I really dont have the greatest of confidence that already this process isnt compromised. Shoulda outsourced elsewhere. Maybe Sportsmark or someone like that. Several reputable consultants available. No question marks, clean slate. We'll see.

Compromised how? Does Beacon have a horse in this race?