Player Discussion Phillip Danault part 2

[Pompeius Magnus]

It's really hard to evaluate him money wise now . Since his offense has dried out this season you'd think the team would be in a solid negociating position but his stellar shutdown work in the playoffs has given him some visibility/bargaining power again. I really wish we could have gotten him at 4.2-ish for 4 or 5 years, that would have been fair in my book. Who knows now ? What are the comparables ? Jordan Staal ? Mikael Backlund ? Both are paid too much and produce more points anyway.

 

[Archijerej]

His next contract is a tricky matter indeed, but if we wish to see playoff hockey again next season I don't know how that's possible without Danault.

 

[Born in 1909]

Hi contract demands are going to come own to how greedy Phil and his agent want to be.k

Plus we all know that he has the 'hometown boy' angle going for him.

 

[Habs100]

I don't think you can sign him for less than 5 mil and he'll for sure get that on the market after his playoff performances.
Many teams will see him as a missing piece needed to win.

He's an interesting case.

I've heard most negotiations are based on numbers. On the offensive end, his playoff numbers/performance are 1 assist in 9 games, his career numbers are 6 points in 25 games. In the regular season he had 24 points in 53 games, which is a 37 point pace.

On the one hand, how many players with those offensive numbers make 5M?

On the other hand, he's elite as defensive, shutdown center. How much is that worth? Who's a comparable?

I just hope this is the end of posters saying ge has 1goal in his last 25 or whatever games; he sucks. His value comes from what he does on the defensive end. And seeing what Tatar is, he doesn't get the teams best wingers.

I also hope he realizes he's a defensive, shutdown 3c. He's gotten enough offense on his wings to produce more than he has. His role and value are on the defensive end. Carboneau himself basically said he accepted his role as a defensive player, but in his mind he still always thought he could be a scorer like he was in Junior. If Danault wants to think that way, that's fine. As long as he accepts a defensive role - at least if he wants to do what's best for whatever team he's on.

 

[azcanuck]

He's a 3 C on most teams. But here he's a number one center who is also our defensive specialist. Very odd but it seems to be working.

 

[417]

His next contract is a tricky matter indeed, but if we wish to see playoff hockey again next season I don't know how that's possible without Danault.

The Habs aren't a playoff team exclusively because of Danault.

 

[L4br3cqu3]

He's a 3 C on most teams. But here he's a number one center who is also our defensive specialist. Very odd but it seems to be working.

He hasn't been our 1C for a while now, Suzuki fills that gap. But til Kotkaniemi is consistent enough to play as a 2C, Danault still won't really be in the right chair, a pretty much 'elite' 3C.

Can't wait to see how the negotiations will go, cause yeah, he's elite in his role, but he's still a borderline 40pts defensive 3C.

 

[26Mats]

He's a 3 C on most teams. But here he's a number one center who is also our defensive specialist. Very odd but it seems to be working.

I don't see him as a number 1 center. He's number 1 in ice time because he's facing the opposition's #1 line. But he doesn't get the best offensive wingers and he gets 0 pp time.

It's like when Esa Tikanen used to shadow Gretzky. He may have gotten the most ice time. But that didn't make him a first line player.

I think it's becoming more and more clear to all, as it always was to many, that he's a shutdown 3c - who should probably get the most ice time on many nights, since he should be matched against the opposition's top offensive line. I suppose that is odd in the sense that, we don't see that that much right now in the NHL.

 

[HuGo Sham]

they're going to sign him and let him slot in somewhere between 2 and 3 depending how quickly KK develops. Just make sure he doesn't get a NTC - so he can be moved in 3 years

the bigger question is how does bergevin replace tatar and drouin?

 

[McGuires Corndog]

they're going to sign him and let him slot in somewhere between 2 and 3 depending how quickly KK develops. Just make sure he doesn't get a NTC - so he can be moved in 3 years

the bigger question is how does bergevin replace tatar and drouin?

Caufield replaces one, free agency for the other would be my guess.

 

[26Mats]

they're going to sign him and let him slot in somewhere between 2 and 3 depending how quickly KK develops. Just make sure he doesn't get a NTC - so he can be moved in 3 years

the bigger question is how does bergevin replace tatar and drouin?

Yes, I agree that these are the 3 most important player personnel issues facing the off season - plaus what to do with our top 4 D, given we can only protect 3, plus what to do with the back up spot if Allen is taken...

With Danault I also think he's through back as a 2/3 C. The question is, at what cap hit?

With Tatar and Drouin, although they bring much needed offense, we seem to be a better team without those two turnover machines.

So can we find offensive players that aren't turnover machines in the off season to replace them? Granlund? Can we even move Drouin's 5.5M cap hit? Are Armia, Lehkonen, Byron's defensive games valuable enough that we can come back with all 4 in the top 13? I'd like Evan's to continue playing along side Danault and Gallagher in a shutdown role. He brings some offense

Evan's Danault Gallagher
Toffoli Suzuki Caufield
Byron Kotkaniemi Anderson

 

[DramaticGloveSave]

There will be a market for him, he’s shown he’s an elite shutdown guy this playoffs and has the track record too. But the offence might have always been a mirage.

I’m in the camp of signing him especially at a buy low price.

 

[CristianoRonaldo]

I don't think you can sign him for less than 5 mil and he'll for sure get that on the market after his playoff performances.
Many teams will see him as a missing piece needed to win.

He has 1 point in 9 games and was on pace for 37 points this season... He should have no leverage to negotiate. If he wants to get more than 4.5M, he needs to do something offensively. As amazing as he is defensively, it's not enough.

 

[ChikN]

For me it's all about usage. Danault as the most used forward during the playoffs or against offensive juggernauts during the regular season I have no problem with. But when he's always 1st in ice time even against bottom feeders and average teams me no likey, would rather give the ice time to KK.

If he accepted a 3 years deal it would be ideal, brings KK and Suzuki to 23-24 years old. Perfect timing, but I doubt he'd accept a short contract.

 

[1909]

For me it's all about usage. Danault as the most used forward during the playoffs or against offensive juggernauts during the regular season I have no problem with. But when he's always 1st in ice time even against bottom feeders and average teams me no likey, would rather give the ice time to KK.

If he accepted a 3 years deal it would be ideal, brings KK and Suzuki to 23-24 years old. Perfect timing, but I doubt he'd accept a short contract.

Why would he ? He deserves a 5 year contract like all the guys in his category. KK will get more ice time soon if he keeps playing that way.. People always forget that he is still very young and raw.

 

[ChikN]

Why would he ? He deserves a 5 year contract like all the guys in his category. KK will get more ice time soon if he keeps playing that way.. People always forget that he is still very young and raw.

Because I would be willing to give the big bucks for those 3 years, but not beyond that. Maybe big pay day for the first 3 and then salary goes down for the next 2? I want him back by the way, just tryin' to see what would be the ideal situation.

 

[26Mats]

For me it's all about usage. Danault as the most used forward during the playoffs or against offensive juggernauts during the regular season I have no problem with. But when he's always 1st in ice time even against bottom feeders and average teams me no likey, would rather give the ice time to KK.

If he accepted a 3 years deal it would be ideal, brings KK and Suzuki to 23-24 years old. Perfect timing, but I doubt he'd accept a short contract.

3 years, 5-6M AAV may be the perfect compromise for an elite shutdown c playing with two young players that will only get rfa money over the next 3 years.

Danault may seriously decline after 3 years, so I wouldn't want to give him more than 3. But he'll be a hot commodity on the ufa market. So if we want to keep him amd we don't want to give him term, we have to give in on cap hit.

But I think phil will want a long term deal. But perhaps since his offensive numbers aren't good he'll take 4-4.5

 

[ECWHSWI]

3 years, 5-6M AAV may be the perfect compromise for an elite shutdown c playing with two young players that will only get rfa money over the next 3 years.

Danault may seriously decline after 3 years, so I wouldn't want to give him more than 3. But he'll be a hot commodity on the ufa market. So if we want to keep him amd we don't want to give him term, we have to give in on cap hit.

But I think phil will want a long term deal. But perhaps since his offensive numbers aren't good he'll take 4-4.5

that's a lot of $ for a guy who we hope will play 3rd line C pretty soon.

 

[The Gr8 Dane]

that's a lot of $ for a guy who we hope will play 3rd line C pretty soon.

I think its an unfortunate bullet we have to bite. Who is his agent?

 

[ECWHSWI]

I think its an unfortunate bullet we have to bite. Who is his agent?

pretty sure we can find a 3rd line C for less on UFA market.

 

[habdynasty]

4 max. He has zero offence in his game. Taffoli is at what 4.2 and he brings the offence. Offensive players almost always make more money. What would Suzuki be worth 8minimum?
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[waitin425]

With players talking about him like he deserves a Selke, we are in for a shocking sticker price.

My guess is he looks for and signs a 6 x 6 deal. I'm on the fence about whether the Habs should be the ones to do it, but think thats what he gets.

 

[habdynasty]

With players talking about him like he deserves a Selke, we are in for a shocking sticker price.

My guess is he looks for and signs a 6 x 6 deal. I'm on the fence about whether the Habs should be the ones to do it, but think thats what he gets.

Sean Couturier has won the selke and put up 30 goal seasons , makes 4.3 a season.

 

[Archijerej]

The Habs aren't a playoff team exclusively because of Danault.

Of course not. He's one of the key cogs though.

 

[Cookie007]

Think with Danault is he allows suzuki and KK to play against other teams 2nd and 3rd line. Not saying Suzuki can’t doing it. But having him in an offensive line vs kerfoot, Nylander and galchenyuk puts less on his defensive game than having to matchup against matthews 20mins per game.

unless evans can stay healthy. O poehling takes a leap. Not sure we can let danault go.