Value of: Phillip Danault for a LHD at the trade deadline

[VeeMerk]

Calling for a top prospect + 2nd for Danault was trolling enough for this thread.

He's a good 3C on a lousy team; a very solid 4C on a playoff team.

That doesn't get you a top prospect, and you should know that.

It depends on the team and the timing. Let's not get it twisted.. in terms of point production, Danault is a 3C on any team. In terms of his role, he's incredibly important. Very defensively responsible, trusted to shut down top lines, good in the face-off circle and is young. As a Habs fan, I do not want to trade him because he completes us down the middle for a while longer (he's been given a 2C responsibility due to circumstance more so than skill). I love him but his ideal position is as a 3C + a shut down/defensive responsibility. As a 3C I would expect him to get 10G 20A per season and I would be ecstatic.

IF I traded him, what would I want? Normally I'd take 2 2nd round picks. I also could see a middle LD in a 1-for-1 Like Maata for Danault straight up. That's my value for him in a trade but I wouldn't be surprised if we could get more from an overspending playoff contending team.

 

[Canadian Canuck]

"Top prospect" since when did we say a top prospect ? Danault is worth 2x2rd + small add

A poster literally said he’s worth a top prospect and a 2nd on the first page.

 

[Gecklund]

I would very readily give up Dillon or Ryan in the offseason but I don’t think it would be enough.

 

[David Suzuki]

He's a good 3C on a lousy team; a very solid 4C on a playoff team.

Wow one of the worst examples of hockey db watching I've seen smh.

 

[Just Linda]

LMAO except for goals in the playoffs.

I’ve watched both players since they are rookies.

Eller > Danault

Danault sucks honestly. Once Poehling comes in Danault should be down to the 4th were he belongs.

You got to realize when your standing on an island and noone else agrees with you that either you're enlightened or else you're the one who's wrong.

The Eller Denault debate isn't rediculous. I prefer Eller but Denault is better defensively.

Denault doesn't get mostly secondary assists, this year is the only year of his career in which he had more secondary than primary (even then, it's only 1 more).

Most pundits say that Denault is a good 2c or ideal 3c. Some say he's a good 2c. As many outliers say he's a 1c as do say that he sucks and should be on the 4th line. Thousands of people with as much experience if not more than you watch the same games as you but reach a different conclusion. The advanced stats show that he is far better than you give him credit for and the people within that community adore him as a 2c who plays above his head and does well in his position. As far as I'm concerned, there's no way to justify the position that he's a 4c who sucks without resorting to stating your eye test tells you, every other piece of information contradicts that point and there's likely no major analyst who shares it.

 

[Goldenhands]

Hahahahahaha!

Whats so funny? The guy is right, Danault is a decent 3rd line center at best, if you have him centering your fourth line, thats great...

 

[Cobra Commander]

You got to realize when your standing on an island and noone else agrees with you that either you're enlightened or else you're the one who's wrong.

The Eller Denault debate isn't rediculous. I prefer Eller but Denault is better defensively.

Denault doesn't get mostly secondary assists, this year is the only year of his career in which he had more secondary than primary (even then, it's only 1 more).

Most pundits say that Denault is a good 2c or ideal 3c. Some say he's a good 2c. As many outliers say he's a 1c as do say that he sucks and should be on the 4th line. Thousands of people with as much experience if not more than you watch the same games as you but reach a different conclusion. The advanced stats show that he is far better than you give him credit for and the people within that community adore him as a 2c who plays above his head and does well in his position. As far as I'm concerned, there's no way to justify the position that he's a 4c who sucks without resorting to stating your eye test tells you, every other piece of information contradicts that point and there's likely no major analyst who shares it.

That’s why you have to actually watch the players play, I’ve watched Danault enough to know that he sucks offensively. And I’ve seen Larry up his play in the playoffs, score double overtime series saving and Stanley Cup winning goals. Lars Eller is built for the playoffs, the best 3C in the league and a player who can step into the fist 2 line center roles and actually produce offense.
Danault HAS DONE NOTHING. He’s an offensive hole. Only a delusional person or a giant homer would call him a good 2C or 1C.

 

[Just Linda]

That’s why you have to actually watch the players play, I’ve watched Danault enough to know that he sucks offensively. And I’ve seen Larry up his play in the playoffs, score double overtime series saving and Stanley Cup winning goals. Lars Eller is built for the playoffs, the best 3C in the league and a player who can step into the fist 2 line center roles and actually produce offense.
Danault HAS DONE NOTHING. He’s an offensive hole. Only a delusional person or a giant homer would call him a good 2C or 1C.

Clearly you've either not watched him enough or you've watched him through too thick of a layer of bias.

 

[Cobra Commander]

Clearly you've either not watched him enough or you've watched him through too thick of a layer of bias.

Ya ok there bud. I’ve watched him for years now. Ask Radulov how he hated playing with him, always killing the offensive play.
I think it’s you with the bias.

 

[Just Linda]

Ya ok there bud. I’ve watched him for years now. Ask Radulov how he hated playing with him, always killing the offensive play.
I think it’s you with the bias.

Got any link to that? Everything I've ever read was that Denault and Radulov were close with Radulov being the one who gave Denault his nickname 'third' (as in you are our third).

 

[Cobra Commander]

Got any link to that? Everything I've ever read was that Denault and Radulov were close with Radulov being the one who gave Denault his nickname 'third' (as in you are our third).

Bullshit on the “Tird” thing, that has nothing to do with Radulov. Danault can’t pronounce the word third. I can’t believe you even tried to pull that out of your ass.

It was well discussed on our main boards how Radulov disliked playing with him. Their was many instances where we had glimpses of this.

Phillip the “Turd” line center.
You are really full of it.

 

[Just Linda]

Bull**** on the “Tird” thing, that has nothing to do with Radulov. Danault can’t pronounce the word third. I can’t believe you even tried to pull that out of your ass.

It was well discussed on our main boards how Radulov disliked playing with him. Their was many instances where we had glimpses of this.

Phillip the “Turd” line center.
You are really full of it.

And yet Radulov is the one that said between periods that they (him and patches) call him tird because they make a good three, I know how it got started and it's pretty clear why it kept going and when it ended.

First with claiming Denault is a 4c and now claiming that Radulov didn't like him. It's like you don't actually watch the games and only catch hilights.

 

[Cobra Commander]

And yet Radulov is the one that said between periods that they (him and patches) call him tird because they make a good three, I know how it got started and it's pretty clear why it kept going and when it ended.

First with claiming Denault is a 4c and now claiming that Radulov didn't like him. It's like you don't actually watch the games and only catch hilights.

Radulov was frustrated to play with him many times and that was evident. I don’t claim to know how much they loved each other in their “private” lives.

I watched ALL of Radulov’s games. He could of hit 70+ points that season if he had a real center to play with instead of an offensively challenged “Turd” line center.

If I’m building a team, (I’m a giant Habs fan by the way) he doesn’t make my “Tird” line, I want my Tird line Center producing some offense ON HIS OWN. Now if he’s on a 4th line, then your team is probably pretty strong. I like Phil as a person, great guy, but he’s a 3rd/4th Center. Yes he’s a 3rd line center but not one who generates offense...

At the end of the day, he’s not being traded, especially because he is a Quebec born player. We’ll gladly keep him for now.

 

[Habsrule]

Would a trade around Maatta + Brassard for Danault + Benn work?


We have pretty much came to the conclusion that Maatta for Danault is a fair deal.


Danault 3 years left at 3.1 per
Benn upcoming UFA making 1.1
Maatta 4 years left at 4.1 per
Brassard upcoming UFA making 3.0


Yes I do know that Brassard has more value than Benn. Benn can still be used as a 5/6/7 defenceman. The biggest part of this trade is that currently the Pens sit with only 117k in cap space. With this trade would be shedding 2.9 million in cap space. That money could be used at the trade deadline to acquire another player. The Habs have the cap space to take on salary.

 

[ole ole]

Would a trade around Maatta + Brassard for Danault + Benn work?


We have pretty much came to the conclusion that Maatta for Danault is a fair deal.


Danault 3 years left at 3.1 per
Benn upcoming UFA making 1.1
Maatta 4 years left at 4.1 per
Brassard upcoming UFA making 3.0


Yes I do know that Brassard has more value than Benn. Benn can still be used as a 5/6/7 defenceman. The biggest part of this trade is that currently the Pens sit with only 117k in cap space. With this trade would be shedding 2.9 million in cap space. That money could be used at the trade deadline to acquire another player. The Habs have the cap space to take on salary.

I would accept Maatta + Brassard for Danault + Benn and throw in a 2nd rd pick from the Habs and wish Pitt a Merry Christmas.

 

[Habsrule]

I would accept Maatta + Brassard for Danault + Benn and throw in a 2nd rd pick from the Habs and wish Pitt a Merry Christmas.

I wouldn’t do that. The trade would work out to;

Maatta for Danault. It has pretty much been agreed upon that values are very similar.

Brassard for Benn and a 2nd rounder. Benn probably carries a value of a 5th or 6th rounder. That 2nd is just too much. Brassard would not have that much of value.

Plus with the Pens shedding almost three million in this deal that is more of the equalizer.

 

[Habs Halifax]

Dream on.

Brodin for Danault. Fair value IMO. However, I doubt either team makes this trade.

 

[Empoleon8771]

Would a trade around Maatta + Brassard for Danault + Benn work?


We have pretty much came to the conclusion that Maatta for Danault is a fair deal.


Danault 3 years left at 3.1 per
Benn upcoming UFA making 1.1
Maatta 4 years left at 4.1 per
Brassard upcoming UFA making 3.0


Yes I do know that Brassard has more value than Benn. Benn can still be used as a 5/6/7 defenceman. The biggest part of this trade is that currently the Pens sit with only 117k in cap space. With this trade would be shedding 2.9 million in cap space. That money could be used at the trade deadline to acquire another player. The Habs have the cap space to take on salary.

Cap space doesn't have value for a team that doesn't need to add anything. Benn does nothing for the Penguins, so just keep it at Maatta for Danault. The Penguins will move Brassard+ for an actual upgrade on defense if they decide they need to, Benn isn't that.

Brassard for Benn and a 2nd rounder. Benn probably carries a value of a 5th or 6th rounder. That 2nd is just too much. Brassard would not have that much of value.

You really think a 2nd and 5th/6th is too much for Brassard? The guy who was traded for a 1st, 3rd and a good prospect less than a year ago?

 

[HockeyDBspecialist]

Would a trade around Maatta + Brassard for Danault + Benn work?


We have pretty much came to the conclusion that Maatta for Danault is a fair deal.


Danault 3 years left at 3.1 per
Benn upcoming UFA making 1.1
Maatta 4 years left at 4.1 per
Brassard upcoming UFA making 3.0


Yes I do know that Brassard has more value than Benn. Benn can still be used as a 5/6/7 defenceman. The biggest part of this trade is that currently the Pens sit with only 117k in cap space. With this trade would be shedding 2.9 million in cap space. That money could be used at the trade deadline to acquire another player. The Habs have the cap space to take on salary.

frankly, I don'T want Brassard in Mtl, imo Danault > Brassard. He fell off immensely last year and this year.

 

[57special]

Brodin for Danault. Fair value IMO. However, I doubt either team makes this trade.

Just stop.

Nobody outside of Quebec thinks it's even close in value, and non delusional fans in Quebec realize it's not close either.

 

[Habs Halifax]

Just stop.

Nobody outside of Quebec thinks it's even close in value, and non delusional fans in Quebec realize it's not close either.

Nobody? I don't live in Quebec. I think you need to stop. Danault has just as much value as Brodin does. Brodin is a top 4D who doesn't put up production so lets stop treating him like he does. Danault is an above average 3C and a below average 2C who plays center.

The value is close. You don't provide any substance other than attacking the province of Quebec.

 

[Habsrule]

frankly, I don'T want Brassard in Mtl, imo Danault > Brassard. He fell off immensely last year and this year.

I agree that Danault is better than Brassard. Brassard is a UFA at seasons end. Benn is too.

Brassard would at least insulate Kotkaniemi this year. A trade of Danault for Maatta would fill a much bigger need for Montreal but would create a hole at center. Brassard could plug that hole for the rest of this year and then Kotkaniemi can slot into the second line center role next year.

 

[HockeyDBspecialist]

I agree that Danault is better than Brassard. Brassard is a UFA at seasons end. Benn is too.

Brassard would at least insulate Kotkaniemi this year. A trade of Danault for Maatta would fill a much bigger need for Montreal but would create a hole at center. Brassard could plug that hole for the rest of this year and then Kotkaniemi can slot into the second line center role next year.

maata would be piece I would like but at a lower cost, Hell, Pens would accept Shaw for Maatta. I would try to save Danault for that trade.

I want to bet on Maatta, if the kid can come back with speed next summer he will be the real deal