OT: Phillies: We Might Just Get A Little Stupid Spending: Offseason Part One

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  1. Hollywood Couturier

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    Phils shouldn't chase both Harper and Manny..pick one..go after one of the FA pitchers..get a closer and go from there...see what filters out late in FA if anything
     
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    Play it as it lays, FAs make the final decision.

    Phillies should not go after FA pitchers, Corbin is buyer beware (big contract year after up and down career), and the rest aren't bette than what we already have on the team or the high minors.

    This team needs hitting and defense, improve the defense and the pitching will take a big jump.
     
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    I agree on Harper + a good FA pitcher. Would kill for a legit LHP.
     
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    They made a contract offer to Brantley....
     
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    Stock up. Get whatever you can get. Machado and Harper would make this arguably the best lineup in the game. Sign Corbin or Keuchel for the rotation. Bring back Jake Diekman or sign Zach Britton for the pen. Leave Dominguez as the closer. Trade Santana for literally anything. Trade Hernandez or Crawford and use whichever one kept as a utility guy.

    Lineup (not sure who bats second, likely not Machado but that's just how I shook it out, otherwise I would say whomever is playing 2B or LF would bat second)
    1-Herrara (CF)
    2-Machado (SS)
    3-Harper (RF)
    4-Hoskins (1B)
    5-Franco (3B)
    6-Williams/Quinn (LF)
    7-Kingery/Hernandez/Crawford (2B)
    8-Alfaro (C)
    9-Pitcher

    Bench
    Williams/Quinn
    Knapp
    Bour
    Kingery/Hernandez/Crawford
    Althierr/Valentin/Florimon (depending on if you want another OF or another utility guy)

    Rotation
    1-Nola
    2-Arrieta
    3-Corbin/Keuchel
    4-Pivetta
    5-Eflin/VV

    Bullpen
    CL-Dominguez
    Fill in with two lefties and the rest righties with at least one guy that can fill in as a spot starter or long reliever if someone ****s the bed.

    That's a playoff team.
     
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    Not close. Not close to close. There are lineups that go 8 deep with real quality.

    Hell, that wouldn't be the best 1-2 punch in baseball even setting aside depth. I'm not sure it would even be top 5. It's not touching Cleveland or Houston and there's no real argument to the contrary. If we're being realistic, you would need real improvement from last year for Harper to touch Boston, the Yankees, Anaheim, etc. It might not be a better 1-2 punch than the Nats even losing Harper.
     
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    I think you are mistaken. Harper and Machado will make everyone else better hitters. I would expect guys like Hoskins and Franco to improve based on their presence in the lineup, which should have a ripple effect.
     
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    They should get some improvement just from Crawford and Kingery, I doubt they're that bad, Altherr bouncing back would help the bench.
    If Quinn could stay healthy that would be huge.
    If Alfaro can just incrementally improve, Hoskins become more consistent, etc.
    So adding a couple solid bats would give them at least an average offense. Which is really all they need.

    The real key is getting the fielding from horrible to average, that would be a huge boost, especially with so many young arms who don't need the defense extending innings. And fewer pitches per inning by SPs means they go deeper into games, protecting the bullpen.

    As long as they hit decently, they were a competitive team until the pitching wore down, and the bad fielding had something to do with that.
     
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    There's little sabermetric evidence that "protection" makes a difference in hitter outcomes.
    Pitchers today don't feel the need to throw FBs to throw strikes, many have better command of their offspeed pitches.
     
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    Well hopefully we find out in a couple months!
     
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    If the reports are true that they offered a contract to Brantley, and he signs, what's that do to the outfield? Try and run Brantley Odubal and Harper?
     
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    Yeah, you still need another corner outfielder even if you do sign Harper. Trade Santana & move Hoskins back to 1B.
     
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    LHP Justus Sheffield is the Yankees’ top prospect.
     
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    That's a pretty good barometer if you're one of the people who wants to trade for Realmuto. He's worth more than Paxton.
     
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    Is that Gary's son?
     
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    I’d like to see them go after Martin Gonzalez to go along with Harper or Machado and Kuechel or Hamels. Also trade Santana so Hoskins can go back to 1B.
     
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    Nope, no relation.
     
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    Here's my next question: is it David Justice's son?
     
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    Hamels is not a free agent.
    No, but he is the brother of Jordan.
     
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    i think that is the plan...to get Rhys back to his natural position
     
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