OT: Phillies: I'm Starting To Think Our Bank Accounts Are Frozen: Offseason Part Two

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JojoTheWhale

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Of course I want Harper in Philadelphia most, but the only other interesting part of this to me is how Boras decides to angle the narrative. Just how petty about the Lozano situation he is could move the timetable up.
 

PHILOUDELPHIA

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Holy smokes, it's almost like this is a common negotiating tactic and it was Boras' plan all along

This is what Boras has been waiting for, Machado to come off the board.

Now he can hold a private auction with the Giants, Whitesox and Phillies Owner.

Bidding will start at 300m This could go between 350-400m.
 

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It's pretty incredible that MLB has the slowest growth in player salaries of all the major sports right now.

Alex Rodriguez got 10 years, $252 million in 2001 at age 24. He signed a 10 year, $275M contract in 2007.

Twelve years later we have legit superstars becoming free agents in their mid-20s barely beating that mark.

For the first time since the advent of free agency, the MLBPA is being crushed by the owners. 20% of the teams are willing to be non-competitive every year, and the big market teams are fully content to be restricted by the luxury tax. The Yankees saw the Red Sox win a title in dominant fashion and have no interest in the top free agents, who both wanted them.

Get ready for no baseball in 2022.
 
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klutch

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10x325 for Harper. Give him a deadline, if they say no he can f*** off.

Boras played the game now he has to meet halfway.

Whatever, Trout will be here soon.
 

JojoTheWhale

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It's pretty incredible that MLB has the slowest growth in player salaries of all the major sports right now.

Alex Rodriguez got 10 years, $252 million in 2001 at age 24. He signed a 10 year, $275M contract in 2007.

Twelve years later we have legit superstars becoming free agents in their mid-20s barely beating that mark.

For the first time since the advent of free agency, the MLBPA is being crushed by the owners. 20% of the teams are willing to be non-competitive every year, and the big market teams are fully content to be restricted by the luxury tax. The Yankees saw the Red Sox win a title in dominant fashion and have no interest in the top free agents, who both wanted them.

Get ready for no baseball in 2022.



It's going to get ugly in 2022. Very ugly.
 

Svechhammer

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At least the Machado saga is over. I'll be honest, I wanted Harper over him from the start, not because of skill, but Harper is the more intense personality who would help bring the clubhouse together.

Just get the deal done. Overspend if we have to. One WS title will make it all worth it, just ask Boston if they regret the Price signing now.
 
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baudib1

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It's going to get ugly in 2022. Very ugly.


I don't know what leverage the players have at this point, and an actual strike (as opposed to a lockout) won't garner much fan sympathy.

Also, a ton of active players weren't even born the last time there was serious labor strife, not sure if they have the stomach for it. The players have made major concessions on drug testing, the draft, international spending. There's not much for them to give that could shake loose a larger chunk of revenue. The owners have a de facto salary cap and will probably push for a real one. The big-market teams don't even seem that aggravated by revenue sharing among teams.
 

Svechhammer

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It wouldn’t necessarily help the top guys but it’s insane that you have all these competitive balance rules but have no type of mandatory spending floor.
If you had a mandatory spending floor, teams like Tampa and Miami would go belly up in a heartbeat.

Also, the additional costs would somehow be passed along to the fans. Like how Tampa cut a few thousand seats from its stadium, which just happened to be the cheapest, which drove up the average price to watch a game for a team nobody wants to see.

But yeah, MLB needs to do something to eliminate the kind of ownership that is only there to make some money while cutting as much cost as possible. As a Canes fan down here in NC having seen it since Karmanos won the Cup, that kind of ownership sucks as a fan.
 

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It wouldn’t necessarily help the top guys but it’s insane that you have all these competitive balance rules but have no type of mandatory spending floor.

I haven't followed the CBAs much lately but in the days of Donald Fehr the union used to say things like, "We don't want a cap OR a floor, let the market decide, etc." which was sort of admirable but probably not helpful to their cause.

The MLBPA used to always be ahead of the owners in the Marvin Miller days and knew that the top players drove the entire salary structure. To a large extent it still does, and top player salaries have stagnated, but the teams have also gotten a lot smarter about paying for second-/third-tier talent.
 

baudib1

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If you had a mandatory spending floor, teams like Tampa and Miami would go belly up in a heartbeat.

Also, the additional costs would somehow be passed along to the fans. Like how Tampa cut a few thousand seats from its stadium, which just happened to be the cheapest, which drove up the average price to watch a game for a team nobody wants to see.

But yeah, MLB needs to do something to eliminate the kind of ownership that is only there to make some money while cutting as much cost as possible. As a Canes fan down here in NC having seen it since Karmanos won the Cup, that kind of ownership sucks as a fan.

Higher player salaries = higher ticket prices is a myth that sports owners have been able to sell to fans. As was the case with the 1994 stoppage, revenue sharing among the teams is an issue for owners, not for players.
 

LegionOfDoom91

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I haven't followed the CBAs much lately but in the days of Donald Fehr the union used to say things like, "We don't want a cap OR a floor, let the market decide, etc." which was sort of admirable but probably not helpful to their cause.

The MLBPA used to always be ahead of the owners in the Marvin Miller days and knew that the top players drove the entire salary structure. To a large extent it still does, and top player salaries have stagnated, but the teams have also gotten a lot smarter about paying for second-/third-tier talent.

Tony Clark’s specifically called out teams publicly in recent years for not spending year after year.
 

JojoTheWhale

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Obviously a terrible quote, but he's got to say something today.

The more I think about the whole offseason, the more I wonder if those reports that the front office preferred Machado and ownership prefers Harper are true. It doesn't really matter what the valuation is if ownership will only sign off on $X.
 
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