OT: Philadelphia 76ers: Taking Our Talents To The Offseason...Again

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gertbfrobe16

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I fail to see how agreeing to a 1 yr deal with a career bench player and then having that player renege on said deal to look for more term/money is management's fault.

Bjelica would have been a solid pickup but he's had minimal pt in his career so the Sixers didnt want to give him term especially considering theyll still be in the market for stars next year and will have to give Simmons a max.
at this point managements job is to get players to make the team better and to help out the stars they already have. also the trying to poach the guy from houston to be the gm and getting turned down isn't a good look. this is just my opinion and you may not agree but i'm not impressed with the moves made so far
 
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The Feelsbadman sentiment is very low with this trade.
Justin Anderson being traded just solidifies the Nerlens and fake first nonsense. Wish him well, but he's a lesser, older, Marcus Smart type (different positions sure, but that 'bulldog' type player that is inconsistent on offense). Marcus Smart does not yet have a contract. I'm mostly gonna miss Simba because he was close with Embiid, and that is for some reason important to me, although it shouldn't be.
TLC, I'm gonna miss the Frenchman just because, but he was way slower to develop than I had hoped. Hopefully he can put it together, but he's not gonna be missed. Not a process-Sixer, will not mourn. At best, he has a Bruce Bowen, Kyle Korver type career ark. But the Sixers shouldn't hold onto a guy that's gonna take that long to turn into a valuable player, that's a waste of a spot.
No thoughts on Muscala. Only wish they were able to trade Bayless here, but that's just nonsensical. Down a body, so a roster spot is open, that's a plus.

At the end of the day, this is a positive move in regards to Korkmaz, the time is yours.
 

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at this point managements job is to get players to make the team better and to help out the stars they already have. also the trying to poach the guy from houston to be the gm and getting turned down isn't a good look. this is just my opinion and you may not agree but i'm not impressed with the moves made so far
Sixers were a top 5 team in the league this year. If Brown had used Pick and Roll during the playoffs we wouldve made the Finals.

How do you improve on a team like that? Chase stars and shore up the bench.
Which they tried.
Struck out on LeBron who didnt really have us in the running.
Offered a solid package for Kawhi that the Spurs turned down.

Improvement of the bench is up in the air but should be better due to the inclusion of Fultz.
Where is the misstep? Was it missing out on that world-beater Bjelica? Passing on cant-miss-superstar Mikal Bridges?

Give me something concrete because otherwise your complaint has no legs to stand on
 

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There is nothing wrong with not being impressed by this offseason’s moves. That is NOT the same as saying there was a “misstep”. There was always going to come a time when The Process was going to get trickier, and that time has come. No more top 3 draft picks (barring a miracle next year), no more easily exceeded low expectations.

It’s been an unimpressive offseason for the Sixers, what’s wrong with saying that? Maybe there was no real good move they could have made. In all likelihood the best chance for the Sixers to make a significant gain this offseason was to fix Markelle Fultz. Hopefully that is happening. The second best thing would be for Simmons to get a jump shot.

Boston hasn’t made any particularly impressive moves either this offseason. That’s the way it goes sometimes.
 

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There is nothing wrong with not being impressed by this offseason’s moves. That is NOT the same as saying there was a “misstep”. There was always going to come a time when The Process was going to get trickier, and that time has come. No more top 3 draft picks (barring a miracle next year), no more easily exceeded low expectations.

It’s been an unimpressive offseason for the Sixers, what’s wrong with saying that? Maybe there was no real good move they could have made. In all likelihood the best chance for the Sixers to make a significant gain this offseason was to fix Markelle Fultz. Hopefully that is happening. The second best thing would be for Simmons to get a jump shot.

Boston hasn’t made any particularly impressive moves either this offseason. That’s the way it goes sometimes.

I am hoping the bench performs better. The team got better when Marco and Irslan joined, helping the bench improve. With Chambers, (hopefully a good) Korkmaz, and getting rid of two below average bench guys in TLC & Anderson, hopefully that is an improvement. It's definitely an unknown right now.
 

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Why did the hawks give up Schroeder if they were going to waive Melo? Doesn’t make sense to me.
 

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I have never bought into this "get a superstar" hype, how many teams have actually improved that way?
Problem is established superstars are usually at or past their peak, very expensive, and come with egos that make them hard to coach.
And on this team, other than the King, they're the third option - now how many could handle that role and defer to Embiid and Simmons?

Sixers are better building around their young players, and adding assets and building a top bench.
GS added Durant (but that was a freak situation, how many stars would have taken a pay cut and a lesser role?), but built a great team before that, by developing draft picks (and not top 5 picks). Nor did they hit on every pick:
2009: #7 Stephen Curry
2010: #6 Ekpe Udoh
2011: #11 Klay Thompson
2012: #7 Harrison Barnes, #35 Draymond Green

Trades:
David Lee (2010): Anthony Randolph, Ronny Turiaf, 2012 2nd, 2013 2nd
Bogut and Jackson (2012): Kwame Brown, Monte Ellis & Ekpe Udoh
Richard Jefferson & 2012 1st (2012): Stephen Jackson
Speights (2013); FA
Iguodola (2014): 2014 1st, 2017 1st & 2nd, 2018 2nd, Richard Jefferson, Brandon Rush
Livingston (2014): FA
Barbosa (2014): FA

Summary: drafted four top starters in 4 years, not one pick in the top 5. One major trade (AI), one combined trade shuffling pieces (Bogut, Jefferson), three FA signings for bench pieces.

Sixers have drafted Embiid, Simmons, Fultz, Saric and Smith, that's your core. Just build around them. Spend the next two seasons growing up. Improve the bench both internally and through FA signings/trades. Don't chase "names."
 

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I was never on the "hunting stars" bandwagon either, at least not this year. So in that sense I like what they didn't do this offseason, although I suspect they would have done something if they could have. I think the thing that did the most damage was BB saying on several occasions that they needed to do that. That just set him up for failure. Even if that's your plan there's no need to announce it to the world and give people grounds to complain when you don't get players that you probably weren't all that likely to get anyway. I love BB the coach but they really do need to find a GM.
 
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Why did the hawks give up Schroeder if they were going to waive Melo? Doesn’t make sense to me.
Atlanta didn't think Schroeder was a winning player, that he'd request the max when his contract was up soon, and they didn't want to pay. I'm surprised they didn't get more futures along the way though, they did receive a lottery protected (what's the protection) 1st rd pick though. This is Atlanta, with no subtly, embracing the tank, and saving a few bucks.
 
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I was never on the "hunting stars" bandwagon either, at least not this year. So in that sense I like what they didn't do this offseason, although I suspect they would have done something if they could have. I think the thing that did the most damage was BB saying on several occasions that they needed to do that. That just set him up for failure. Even if that's your plan there's no need to announce it to the world and give people grounds to complain when you don't get players that you probably weren't all that likely to get anyway. I love BB the coach but they really do need to find a GM.
Well, BB first made those type of comments when he wasn't the GM, so he was putting the pressure on Colonjello. Kind of a, "You wanna f*** with me? Well how do you like them apples?" Then Colonjello got fired, Brett to center stage, and like a boss (a very green boss), he didn't punk out on his previous comments. However, Brett did modify them, via the star hunting, star creating caveat.

This off season was fine. It didn't have the killer move we all desired, but neither did the Sixers go out and do something horrible. (Like the SAC trade to the Sixers so they could sign Rondo.) Everyone signed as a FA is here for one year. Same with the trade. If they trade for Korver, he's at 2 years, but a very easy/forgiving to solve 2nd year.
 

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Atlanta didn't think Schroeder was a winning player, that he'd request the max when his contract was up soon, and they didn't want to pay. I'm surprised they didn't get more futures along the way though, they did receive a lottery protected (what's the protection) 1st rd pick though. This is Atlanta, with no subtly, embracing the tank, and saving a few bucks.
Ah okay thanks. Like you said I thought they’d get more futures. Trading for lottery protected picks is something I’d never do.
 

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Bolden's shooting was terrible, but his defense was good, shut down the 1st pick in the draft playing center.

Holmes has great energy, but an erratic outside shot, and after 4 years in college and 3 in the NBA, still has no clue on defense.

I think this was BB concluding that Holmes had no upside while Bolden at worst could be a good defensive specialist off the bench and has enough offensive skills that he might eventually develop into a solid rotation player.
 

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There are cap issues at play here on Bolden too. They're front-loading him. It's likely a 2 year deal with 2 unguaranteed.

Basically where they are now plus the accelerated hit on Bolden leaves them with $2,900 (yes, twenty nine hundred) in cap space before the Muscala trade. They used every penny and did at least that portion well.

 

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Collectively are the Sixers one of the worst shooting teams in the NBA?

I mean who's a good "shooter"? JJ?

Embiid's good for a Center.
 

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Dario shot close to 40% from 3 last year, which is good. Hopefully Fultz this year?

Ah yes, stupid of me to forget him. Yes he was good.

But Fultz is a hope like you said, but man, this team will have to rely on moving the ball and passing, which they are good at.
 

gertbfrobe16

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There is nothing wrong with not being impressed by this offseason’s moves. That is NOT the same as saying there was a “misstep”. There was always going to come a time when The Process was going to get trickier, and that time has come. No more top 3 draft picks (barring a miracle next year), no more easily exceeded low expectations.

It’s been an unimpressive offseason for the Sixers, what’s wrong with saying that? Maybe there was no real good move they could have made. In all likelihood the best chance for the Sixers to make a significant gain this offseason was to fix Markelle Fultz. Hopefully that is happening. The second best thing would be for Simmons to get a jump shot.

Boston hasn’t made any particularly impressive moves either this offseason. That’s the way it goes sometimes.
thank you this explanation is spot on.
 
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