Value of: Phil Kessel

[ETTHAKING67]

Phil Kessel has two years left at a 6 800 000 cap hit, 5 Millions and bonuses and 1 Millions in real salary for this year and the same thing for the year after.
With his NTC we have to expect that if he's move, it will be to a playoff team.

I doubt he'll be traded this offseason but if he has a good season, can we expect him to be traded to a playoff team either at the deadline or next off season ? If so what would be his value ?

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[Empoleon8771]

He's absolutely untradeable. Not because of his declining play, but because he has a history of structuring his NTC to make him as difficult as possible to trade. When he was in Toronto, he set up his NTC so only teams with no cap space were trade options. When he was in Pittsburgh, he set up his NTC so it was only Arizona and teams with no cap space were trade options.

There is no reason to think that he'd do anything but this again with his NTC. As long as Tocchet is in Arizona, he's not leaving Arizona.

 

[rt]

He’s due only a million dollars in actual cash this season, so there’s no rush to trade him. Which is well and good given that he’s unlikely to waive for a team that can afford his CapHit and there likely isn’t much of a market (or any market) for his services at this point.

Rick Tocchet is a terrible head coach.

The Coyotes just hired a new GM very recently. He seems to be taking a slow, measured, patient approach to reshaping the team. It’s obvious Tocchet won’t be fired before the season starts. I don’t think he will be extended either. I think Armstrong will wait-and-see.

If Kessel can put up decent numbers early and if Tocchet is fired mid-season, it might be possible for Arizona to move Kessel at the deadline.

 

[Cousin Eddie]

With his actual cash being less than his AAV he’s actually more valuable to AZ than he would be to any other team.

When you factor in that, along with the fact that he would have negative value as a trade asset it makes absolutely zero sense for AZ to pay somebody to take him right now.

 

[Jormungandr]

With his actual cash being less than his AAV he’s actually more valuable to AZ than he would be to any other team.

How do you figure that? Because his cap hit helps us go over the limit?

 

[rt]

With his actual cash being less than his AAV he’s actually more valuable to AZ than he would be to any other team.

When you factor in that, along with the fact that he would have negative value as a trade asset it makes absolutely zero sense for AZ to pay somebody to take him right now.

Arizona’s new GM is a bit of a throwback, hard-ass type. Did a lot of shouting and pounding on the desk at his introductory press-conference. Has talked a lot about the coming culture change and not having any players come to the Coyotes just because they want to live in Scottsdale.

Kessel is in Arizona because he’s already won Cups, his drinking buddy is the head coach, and he loves the year-round golfing, pools, palm trees, and the many, many casinos all around Scottsdale. Phil came to a country club. And he’s played like he’s at the country club.

While Bill Armstrong has been patient and measured in his actions, he’s been very decisive and emphatic in his words. I think he’s willing to give everyone a fresh-start, but his bullshit tolerance is obviously extraordinarily low.

I expect when he starts to meet with players ahead of the season, many will be getting a very rude awakening. If Phil comes to camp out of shape and isn’t ready to compete, I would not be the least bit surprised to see him sent to Tucson on a conditioning stint. His salary is low enough that putting him in the AHL makes sense.

 

[Cousin Eddie]

How do you figure that? Because his cap hit helps us go over the limit?

Because he has just 1 million in actual dollars to be paid and the Yotes are poor and known to be looking to rid themselves of actual cash.

 

[Jormungandr]

Because he has just 1 million in actual dollars to be paid and the Yotes are poor and known to be looking to rid themselves of actual cash.

Ok great, but how and when did we shed this actual payroll? It hasn’t happened. Hell if we were OEL would be in Vancouver right now. The only thing that looks even remotely close to shedding payroll is the Grabner buyout. But keep in mind we’re paying him to not play for us, and then signed 4 players(Pitlick, Larsson, Hayden, Hunt) afterwards.

 

[BigDaddyLurch]

If Phil comes to camp out of shape and isn’t ready to compete, I would not be the least bit surprised to see him sent to Tucson on a conditioning stint. His salary is low enough that putting him in the AHL makes sense.

That should be a "when", not an "if"...

 

[rt]

Because he has just 1 million in actual dollars to be paid and the Yotes are poor and known to be looking to rid themselves of actual cash.

That was the rumor/speculation early in the off-season when news came out regarding pissed per diem, and late bonuses, and unpaid rent.

Since then, we’ve learned that in addition to owning casinos and hotels in Vegas and Reno, Alex Meruelo owns banks, construction companies, media companies, restaurants, etc and is so well diversified that he doesn’t seem to be in financial trouble. Pre-COVID, he was one of the richest owners in the NHL, with a net-worth in the multiple billions. Some of his holdings have been terribly impacted by COVID, while others are doing well.

Additionally the missed per firm and late bonuses were chalked up to employee turnover, and new processes.

While the missed rent was explained as them reshaping many of their partnerships. They seem to be fed up with Glendale, and refusal to pay up appears to be a bargaining strategy. They’re painting it as being unwilling to pay as directed, rather than unable to pay as directed.

Talk is cheap, though, right? They could easily just be saving face. We’d have to look at their actions to see whether it’s worth buying at least some of what they’re selling. So what have we seen?

Vancouver was attempting to leverage OEL’s two-team trade list and Arizona’s purported financial squeeze to acquire him on the cheap. They offered Virtanen, Sutter, a 1st and a 2nd. It’s low-ball to be sure. But it’s not embarrassingly bad. It’s two roster players and the two picks the league stripped away from the team.

Armstrong declined because it wasn’t a good enough package of futures. He wanted Podkolzin, Demko, or Hoglander in the deal (likely instead of one of the picks). Would he have been able to decline if he were under pressure from ownership to rid themselves of OEL big contract?

Virtanen, Sutter, a 1st and a 2nd is actually an impressive return if you absolutely must trade the player no-matter-what because of finances, and he’s provided only a two team list. That’s some impressive negotiation with so little leverage. But BA declined. Likely because he wasn’t pressured to make the move.

Then there’s the salary cap. The Coyotes are still over the cap by between one and one and a half million. Yet Armstrong has stated to multiple sources that the roster as it stands will almost certainly be what is brought to camp other than perhaps a small tweak or two.

It looks like the Coyotes will again spend right to the cap, just as they did last season, the first under Meruelo.

 

[Fatass]

Phil Kessel has two years left at a 6 800 000 cap hit, 5 Millions and bonuses and 1 Millions in real salary for this year and the same thing for the year after.
With his NTC we have to expect that if he's move, it will be to a playoff team.

I doubt he'll be traded this offseason but if he has a good season, can we expect him to be traded to a playoff team either at the deadline or next off season ? If so what would be his value ?

2022 TDL might be ideal to get a very good return for Kessel. Likely a good prospect and a second rounder?

 

[ETTHAKING67]

Because he has just 1 million in actual dollars to be paid and the Yotes are poor and known to be looking to rid themselves of actual cash.

They also have to pay the 5Million bonus and the money thing is overblown in AZ.
I would not be suprised to see Kessel traded for a late 1st or 2 at the Draft/TDL

 

[_Del_]

He’s due only a million dollars in actual cash this season, so there’s no rush to trade him

Less because Toronto is paying 15% of that.

 

[ETTHAKING67]

Less because Toronto is paying 15% of that.

Wrong, Arizona have to pay 6 Millions, but 5 Millions was paid in bonus on July 1st. Toronto was paying 15% of the total 6 millions they have to pay this year.

 

[_Del_]

Wrong, Arizona have to pay 6 Millions, but 5 Millions was paid in bonus on July 1st. Toronto was paying 15% of the total 6 millions they have to pay this year.

So the remainder due from AZ is 850k this year... Because 85% of the remaining $1M is less than $1M...

 

[66-30-33]

Matheson for Kessel at 50%.

 

[DarthProbert]

Until the Coyotes get an NHL coach, every single player is at their lowest value. Hire a coach, let everyone's numbers go up, then sell.

 

[XX]

Until the Coyotes get an NHL coach, every single player is at their lowest value. Hire a coach, let everyone's numbers go up, then sell.

I don't disagree with the overall point but I also don't think there's any saving Kessel. He needs to be sheltered on a top heavy team to have any use at all. He's one of the worst players in the league 5v5. He's completely exposed on a team that does not have strong possession players/lines. I think other GMs are aware of this, on top of the personality issues, making him basically worthless.

They already paid his bonus so they'll give it another go. Real shame his contract is buyout proof.

He'll get Tocchet fired if he plays the same way as last year, so maybe it's worth it.

 

[rt]

Matheson for Kessel at 50%.

You get to enjoy four additional years of Matheson after Kessel is blessedly a UFA. Four.

 

[66-30-33]

You get to enjoy four additional years of Matheson after Kessel is blessedly a UFA. Four.

By the end of his contract he will be part of the rebuild and crap contracts wont matter anymore.