Phil Kessel. Trade Watch On? | He's Literally Frozen

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silentbob37*

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you're wasting your time.

the guy has already been called out on his hamfisted use of stats and shown to be wrong already, it doesn't seem to sink in or do any good.

If by called out you mean easy tried to spin some BS stats to "prove" me wrong, yes thats what happened :laugh:
 

johnny_rudeboy

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I was thinking about this the other day and really it's kind of true/sad.

Kessel is the leafs best player, or touted to be such anyway.

However if you look around the league, I think outside of New Jersey, Buffalo, and MAYBE Arizona, no team would even THINK about trading their "best player" 1 for 1 with Toronto for Kessel.

Kessel has a great offensive skill-set but brings absolutely ZERO to the table in way of physical play and defensive acumen. He could serve well as a secondary guy on a really good team, but him being asked to be the #1 guy here in Toronto has exposed him for the one-dimensional, mediocre player he is.

Sure, a guy like Patrick Kane plays a similar style, and has had success on Chicago. However Chicago also features Toews, Sharp, Hossa, Shaw, Saad, etc. Who all play very responsible two way games and allow for Kane to flourish as a scoring specialist.

Sucks because I like Phil alot but I think he should be traded away at the draft

Wow that would be great if Arizona would trade OEL for Kessel in a 1 on 1 trade. Never gonna happen but did not their GM Maloney said the other day that no one is untouchable outside of Doan for obvious reasons. I hope we at least ask him about OEL. If it is only roster players it would cost to get him and as long as Rielly is not part of any deal he can have his picks.
 

silentbob37*

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No, I'm not comparing the two over the course of their careers. Kessel is Kessel. But at the peak of his powers, he's a phenomenal player. The fact that he's such an underachiever makes him that much more disappointing.

I agree, the difference is the inconsistent play (and I was quick to through out the even strength goal thing - though when you look at everything its clear the difference between Crosby's slump and Kessels) is what seperates Kessel from the top tier talents in the league.
 

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I don't think anyone can deny Kessel's scoring ability or the fact that he goes on tears . The problem is when he gets in a funk and can't seem to lift himself out of it, and no one else steps up to the plate to aid in that or scoring for the team.

He's not a leader, seems he needs someone to lead him. He hasn't had that in the time he's been here, to be fair.
 

Stephen

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I don't think anyone can deny Kessel's scoring ability or the fact that he goes on tears . The problem is when he gets in a funk and can't seem to lift himself out of it, and no one else steps up to the plate to aid in that or scoring for the team.

He's not a leader, seems he needs someone to lead him. He hasn't had that in the time he's been here, to be fair.

From that Wilson interview, I think you can infer that not only does Kessel go into slumps, he drags his teammates down with him. That doesn't mean guys riding on his coattails also stop producing, it means his attitude and approach to the game is so mercurial, so up and down that he can throw others off their game and put everyone on emotional eggshells. How else does a team lose one game coming off a 10-1 run to basically mirroring that?
 

Gary Nylund

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From that Wilson interview, I think you can infer that not only does Kessel go into slumps, he drags his teammates down with him. That doesn't mean guys riding on his coattails also stop producing, it means his attitude and approach to the game is so mercurial, so up and down that he can throw others off their game and put everyone on emotional eggshells. How else does a team lose one game coming off a 10-1 run to basically mirroring that?

That's one of the dumbest things I've read here. How else? You really think there is no other possible explanation for the teams horrible play then "it's all Kessel's fault"?

Try thinking a little bit harder. I'm sure you can come up with some more ideas if you try.
 

Suntouchable13

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That's one of the dumbest things I've read here. How else? You really think there is no other possible explanation for the teams horrible play then "it's all Kessel's fault"?

Try thinking a little bit harder. I'm sure you can come up with some more ideas if you try.

It's not all Keseel's fault, but you making excuses for him is sickening. He has 2 points in the last 10 games. He should be criticized for that. And he also does not seem to have the desire to keep improving his overall game. He is way too content with the way he is.
 

HellasLEAF

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I am a big fan of Kessel and always was, however, if you really want to rebuild THIS is the asset that needs to go.

I hope they do trade him and I hope (even more) that he brings in a kings ransom.
 

William Hylander

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We can't panic trade Kessel, at least wait until the end of the season. He has a lot of value, and I'm sure teams will be more interested when they can move pieces easier.
 

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From that Wilson interview, I think you can infer that not only does Kessel go into slumps, he drags his teammates down with him. That doesn't mean guys riding on his coattails also stop producing, it means his attitude and approach to the game is so mercurial, so up and down that he can throw others off their game and put everyone on emotional eggshells. How else does a team lose one game coming off a 10-1 run to basically mirroring that?

We're getting into a lot of speculation here, but it is possible. Would be nice if someone could take this guy under their wing and let him know how good of a player he really is, and motivate him to become even more.

Alas I fear his time in Toronto has all but sailed.
 

Kamiccolo

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Intersting stats for those who think Kessel is garbage.







Basically what this boils down too, is Kessel is pretty even if not better in areas than Kane at 2.5 mil less with a much worse supporting cast. We get a lot of people we say he isn't a good player or you can't win with him, but that isn't the case.

We haven't given him a fair chance to win, because the team has always sucked. The one time we did, he overcame his demons (where he could never play against Boston) and had 6 in 7.

I am in the keep Kessel camp, I think that with a high pick this year, and Nylander hitting his potential, we will be fine without trading a top player.
 
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