Confirmed Signing with Link: [PHI] Travis Konecny re-signs with Flyers (6 years, $5.5M AAV)

[Neutral Hockey Fan]

All the flyers do is draft ppg players late in the first. Just got out of the most underrated players thread, aka the Giroux thread. Thank you to the leafs!

That’s a great point. Leafs wanted Bracco and dermott instead of Konecny. LOL. A move that was heavily criticized then. And looks worse and worse with each passing day

 

[The Winter Soldier]

Ya that's exactly what I said when he signed, I said it was a good contract if he didn't improve, with the potential to be a steal, and basically was taken as **** talking Konecny. This isn't a problem with TC or Flyers fans but hfboards as a hole, every contract has to be a steal or an overpayment the second the ink dries. The reality is they're usually closer to fair value with projection going on, both teams signed it for a reason. Today, it's a steal.

Not exactly. You played down the value of this contract when TK signed, when it was compared to the RFA precedent Marner overpayment. Like it or not RFA contracts are often compared to other RFA contracts. It's not hard to look up what you posted earlier in this thread. I recall since you replied to me. Just fair value you said. Though your post is certainly not the worst in here in terms of aging. It didn't age well also. As some of us said the TK signing was a great from the start with the potential to be a steal later on. And right now it is. You were not one of them that called it a great deal.

Confirmed Signing with Link: - [PHI] Travis Konecny re-signs with Flyers (6 years, $5.5M AAV)

 

[The Winter Soldier]

2016-17 14:05 TOI/GP
2017-18 14:54 TOI/GP
2018-19 15:16 TOI/GP
2019-20 16:33 TOI/GP

This illustrates why TK's contract had a lot of hidden value to it when he signed this summer. Look at the ice time he got his first 3 years in Philly. Still only at 16:33 average, but those that knew the talent of the player, knew with more usage, he would make this contract look outstanding.

Give Hextall credit trading up to get TK in the 2015 draft. Looks like a steal in more than 1 way.

 

[Man Bear Pig]

2016-17 14:05 TOI/GP
2017-18 14:54 TOI/GP
2018-19 15:16 TOI/GP
2019-20 16:33 TOI/GP

This illustrates why TK's contract had a lot of hidden value to it when he signed this summer. Look at the ice time he got his first 3 years in Philly. Still only at 16:33 average, but those that knew the talent of the player, knew with more usage, he would make this contract look outstanding.

Give Hextall credit trading up to get TK in the 2015 draft. Looks like a steal in more than 1 way.

In case anyone didnt know; give Hextall credit for getting him for what turned out to be Bracco and Dermott. Just in case you guys didnt know. Did you guys know the Leafs were involved? Asking for a friend.

 

[1865]

Well I wouldn't go that far but you're welcome to think that. Fair contract though, as said it's pretty much fair value based on what he brings and likely to look better as he develops, but if we're talking about what he's already done to earn it well I think the player should be fairly happy with the figure as well.

turns out he was right.

 

[Tripod]

I said early in the thread that TK's points wouldn't take a big jump up unless the 2nd PP unit started producing way more than before.

Well now, they totally re-arranged the PP and while it has hurt Giroux, Jake and Ghost, it has benefitted TK.

TK has 11 PP points this year already in 32 games. The last 3 years, he had 8, 3 and 4 PP points at season end.

But he has also upped his ES play....12th in RW in ES goals, 9th in ES points for RW. OH SHIT......he is only 34th for RW for TOI so he CAN'T be a 1st liner. Shit...Voracek is 32nd in TOI for RW's. So does that mean the Flyers have ZERO 1st line Rw's even though they have one that is a PPG player? Bizarro world.

 

[The Podium]

That’s a great point. Leafs wanted Bracco and dermott instead of Konecny. LOL. A move that was heavily criticized then. And looks worse and worse with each passing day

Leafs wanted a D after drafting Marner early and traded back because they didnt like the options at the end of the 1st. Apparently they picked Dermott over Aho for the same reason and had the Leafs selected a D with their first they wouldve selected Aho, not Konecny, with their second 1st.

Considering Dermott is the best D drafted between Chabot and pick #34, they made the right pick but their strategy was off. Another example why you go best player available rather than drafting for position.

 

[Tripod]

Leafs wanted a D after drafting Marner early and traded back because they didnt like the options at the end of the 1st. Apparently they picked Dermott over Aho for the same reason and had the Leafs selected a D with their first they wouldve selected Aho, not Konecny, with their second 1st.

Considering Dermott is the best D drafted between Chabot and pick #34, they made the right pick but their strategy was off. Another example why you go best player available rather than drafting for position.

Yup, everyone got what they wanted.

 

[The Winter Soldier]

Leafs wanted a D after drafting Marner early and traded back because they didnt like the options at the end of the 1st. Apparently they picked Dermott over Aho for the same reason and had the Leafs selected a D with their first they wouldve selected Aho, not Konecny, with their second 1st.

Considering Dermott is the best D drafted between Chabot and pick #34, they made the right pick but their strategy was off. Another example why you go best player available rather than drafting for position.

Brandon Carlo went 3 picks later and Vince Dunn also went in the 2nd rd was a D man in the Blues Cup win. Dermott was not the best D man picked after Chabot.

 

[Neutral Hockey Fan]

Brandon Carlo went 3 picks later and Vince Dunn also went in the 2nd rd was a D man in the Blues Cup win. Dermott was not the best D man picked after Chabot.

I was going to say. You would think a leaf fan of all people would have heard of Stanley Cup Champion Vince Dunn, or Boston Bruins defensive standout Brandon Carlo? Both guys are inarguably much superior defenceman than dermott

 

[Starat327]

I know leaf bashing is HF favorite past time, but I think wed all prefer this post stay on topic.

 

[TheTechNoir]

Quite the expensive contract. And it's a tiny sample size. And considering there was tons of indicators prior to signing it, that it would be a good deal, seems like Kony isn't off to the worst start ever, the kid can be a killer at times. No bracco, but he's alright. Flyers fans definitely over-hype their guys though to insane degrees. Like saying that their defense is an absolute trash heap when people are saying how great of a start they are off to, based on, amongst other things, Brandon Manning's point production (which was high at the time, along with the rest of the awful d group). That was weird. They criticized some guys more than other fan bases. I guess it was to trick people into thinking they didn't insanely pump their prospects (needed to counter balance the crazy homer claims that Provorov was nhl ready his first season)

They had the audacity to be split between a few being very high on couts, some seeing him as a good 2c, and some seeing him as an elite 3C with not much offense.

 

[1865]

Hard to really understand what you’re saying in that post bud. Eat up though.

TK is a golden god.

 

[Starat327]

Quite the expensive contract. And it's a tiny sample size. And considering there was tons of indicators prior to signing it, that it would be a good deal, seems like Kony isn't off to the worst start ever, the kid can be a killer at times. No bracco, but he's alright. Flyers fans definitely over-hype their guys though to insane degrees. Like saying that their defense is an absolute trash heap when people are saying how great of a start they are off to, based on, amongst other things, Brandon Manning's point production (which was high at the time, along with the rest of the awful d group). That was weird. They criticized some guys more than other fan bases. I guess it was to trick people into thinking they didn't insanely pump their prospects (needed to counter balance the crazy homer claims that Provorov was nhl ready his first season)

They had the audacity to be split between a few being very high on couts, some seeing him as a good 2c, and some seeing him as an elite 3C with not much offense.

We appreciate the free rent.

 

[Tank To Win]

Quite the expensive contract. And it's a tiny sample size. And considering there was tons of indicators prior to signing it, that it would be a good deal, seems like Kony isn't off to the worst start ever, the kid can be a killer at times. No bracco, but he's alright. Flyers fans definitely over-hype their guys though to insane degrees. Like saying that their defense is an absolute trash heap when people are saying how great of a start they are off to, based on, amongst other things, Brandon Manning's point production (which was high at the time, along with the rest of the awful d group). That was weird. They criticized some guys more than other fan bases. I guess it was to trick people into thinking they didn't insanely pump their prospects (needed to counter balance the crazy homer claims that Provorov was nhl ready his first season)

They had the audacity to be split between a few being very high on couts, some seeing him as a good 2c, and some seeing him as an elite 3C with not much offense.

Huh???

 

[bl02]

Konecny is a scary offensive player. As a Rangers fan don't look forward seeing him in my division over the next 6 years.

 

[Tripod]

He is good

 

[flyersfan187]

Quite the expensive contract. And it's a tiny sample size. And considering there was tons of indicators prior to signing it, that it would be a good deal, seems like Kony isn't off to the worst start ever, the kid can be a killer at times. No bracco, but he's alright. Flyers fans definitely over-hype their guys though to insane degrees. Like saying that their defense is an absolute trash heap when people are saying how great of a start they are off to, based on, amongst other things, Brandon Manning's point production (which was high at the time, along with the rest of the awful d group). That was weird. They criticized some guys more than other fan bases. I guess it was to trick people into thinking they didn't insanely pump their prospects (needed to counter balance the crazy homer claims that Provorov was nhl ready his first season)

They had the audacity to be split between a few being very high on couts, some seeing him as a good 2c, and some seeing him as an elite 3C with not much offense.

I read this twice. Too confusing to read again.

 

[Tripod]

Time for an update on this non 1st liner...stolen from Appleyard the Flyers boards:



"He has been one of the most productive goalscoring wingers in the league over the last few years 5v5. Ofc a few Cs have scored at a higher rate. (McDavid, Matthews, Tavares, MacKinnon)

but TK is 14th overall in G/60 in the NHL over that time(over 2.5 year sample size) Scores more goals per minute than Draisaitl, Pettersson, Connor, Laine, Stamkos, Schiefele and Eichel...

I mean, even in terms of just raw goals... he has 52 5v5 goals since the start of 2017-18. That is 15th most in the NHL. More than Connor, Laine, Eichel, Stamkos, Schiefele..."



Oh, and TK is 4th in TOI at ES/game, 5th in total TOI/game on the Flyers....so still not a 1st liner.

 

[Ziggdiezan]

Time for an update on this non 1st liner...stolen from Appleyard the Flyers boards:



"He has been one of the most productive goalscoring wingers in the league over the last few years 5v5. Ofc a few Cs have scored at a higher rate. (McDavid, Matthews, Tavares, MacKinnon)

but TK is 14th overall in G/60 in the NHL over that time(over 2.5 year sample size) Scores more goals per minute than Draisaitl, Pettersson, Connor, Laine, Stamkos, Schiefele and Eichel...

I mean, even in terms of just raw goals... he has 52 5v5 goals since the start of 2017-18. That is 15th most in the NHL. More than Connor, Laine, Eichel, Stamkos, Schiefele..."

Edit: I see that list is only wingers now whoops

Konecny has been doing great though and should be a good value contract.

 

[PROMputt]

Konecny is a scary offensive player. As a Rangers fan don't look forward seeing him in my division over the next 6 years.

As an Islander fan I concur with this ranger fan- ugh

 

[Legion34]

2016-17 14:05 TOI/GP
2017-18 14:54 TOI/GP
2018-19 15:16 TOI/GP
2019-20 16:33 TOI/GP

This illustrates why TK's contract had a lot of hidden value to it when he signed this summer. Look at the ice time he got his first 3 years in Philly. Still only at 16:33 average, but those that knew the talent of the player, knew with more usage, he would make this contract look outstanding.

Give Hextall credit trading up to get TK in the 2015 draft. Looks like a steal in more than 1 way.

you do realize that by moving up in the draft he gave up assets and missed out on aho right?

 

[Prongo]

you do realize that by moving up in the draft he gave up assets and missed out on aho right?

Yep... and every team before 35 probably could have selected him as well.. besides a specific few who weren’t taking anyone else regardless.

I don’t get this argument ever? Plenty of teams passed on Aho but your argument is the team that traded up for a top 6 player made the mistake of not drafting him? Seems strange.

 

[Legion34]

Yep... and every team before 35 probably could have selected him as well.. besides a specific few who weren’t taking anyone else regardless.

I don’t get this argument ever? Plenty of teams passed on Aho but your argument is the team that traded up for a top 6 player made the mistake of not drafting him? Seems strange.

no the point is discuss the player. Every team who drafted between rantanen and aho missed.

some missed smalll some missed big. At the end of the day I don’t understand why every thread has to have the leafs dragged into it. Then people complain about Toronto fans. It’s dumb


Edit. I just saw a Stan lee avatar. TWS is the most leaf obsessed poster. Never mind.

 

[Flyer lurker]

Leafs wanted a D after drafting Marner early and traded back because they didnt like the options at the end of the 1st. Apparently they picked Dermott over Aho for the same reason and had the Leafs selected a D with their first they wouldve selected Aho, not Konecny, with their second 1st.

Considering Dermott is the best D drafted between Chabot and pick #34, they made the right pick but their strategy was off. Another example why you go best player available rather than drafting for position.

And while york has top 4 defensive pairing potential and it is not an awful pick, I still get mad the flyers picked the D position and the physical features over caufield.