Speculation: Phaneuf, revisited

Claypool · Apr 18, 2015

TheAlmightyWiener said:
As much as it pains me to say it, given the laughable faceplant the Wings D performed in game 2, we need to sign someone like Phaneuf and get rid of a few D men that have no idea how to play D.

Phaneuf also has no idea how to play.

Cyborg Yzerberg · Apr 18, 2015

Claypool said:
Phaneuf also has no idea how to play.

Oh yeah dude?

Ennui · Apr 18, 2015

Claypool said:
Phaneuf also has no idea how to play.

At least he isn't a paper mache "Offensive Defenseman", we have more than enough of those. Kronner, Smith, Zidlicky, Kindl, Ericsson... all the grit of marshmallow cream.

Also, Holland needs to stop signing ugly contracts and be willing to move a veteran or two. Too much loyalty

Cyborg Yzerberg · Apr 18, 2015

TheAlmightyWiener said:
At least he isn't a paper mache "Offensive Defenseman", we have more than enough of those. Kronner, Smith, Zidlicky, Kindl, Ericsson... all the grit of marshmallow cream.

Also, Holland needs to stop signing ugly contracts and be willing to move a veteran or two. Too much loyalty

Ericsson is an offensive defenseman? Oh, you used the word grit though, carry on.

WingedWheel1987 · Apr 18, 2015

Ericsson does generate a ton of offense for the opposing team.

Ennui · Apr 18, 2015

Cyborg Yzerman said:
Ericsson is an offensive defenseman? Oh, you used the word grit though, carry on.

I find his effort level offensive, does that count? What category of defenseman would you label him as? I don't think "pylon" is a legitimate classification.

SpookyTsuki · Apr 18, 2015

TheAlmightyWiener said:
I find his effort level offensive, does that count? What category of defenseman would you label him as? I don't think "pylon" is a legitimate classification.

Defensive Dman if anything. Hes garbage in the Ozone.

And hes not even a good Defensive dman at all

Zetterberg4Captain · Apr 18, 2015

ericsson is soft, soft, soft

every once and a while he throws his weight around but by and large he is afraid of contact, maybe he dosent want cooties...

he has been awful more then he has been decent

Number1RedWingsFan52 · Apr 18, 2015

detredWINgs said:
No business worrying about offense up fromt until we rectify that problem on the back-end.

Exactly this, We need to worry about defense before worrying about offense.

Cyborg Yzerberg · Apr 18, 2015

WingedWheel1987 said:
Ericsson does generate a ton of offense for the opposing team.

TheAlmightyWiener said:
I find his effort level offensive, does that count? What category of defenseman would you label him as? I don't think "pylon" is a legitimate classification.

Pylon who is great at generating opportunities for the other team, very good.

Sami · Apr 19, 2015

Kronwall - Green
DeKeyser - Marchenko
Quincey - Ouellet

I'd be fine with that. Although, I'm not sure if the first pair is the right place for Green.

Claypool · Apr 19, 2015

Sami said:
Kronwall - Green
DeKeyser - Marchenko
Quincey - Ouellet

I'd be fine with that. Although, I'm not sure if the first pair is the right place for Green.

This is my thinking as well. If not Green then someone else. I think you might be able to pry Burns away from San Jose if they plan to blow it up over there. That would also please Babcock. I have a feeling it's just going to be Ericsson again. I think the DeKeyser-Marchenko pairing can be a real solid unit in time, though.

KJoe88 · Apr 19, 2015

I don't want Green.

Phaneuf, please

Zetterberg4Captain · Apr 19, 2015

i want some players who also bring a physical side, especially on the blueline

Ennui · Apr 19, 2015

Cyborg Yzerman said:
Pylon who is great at generating opportunities for the other team, very good.

At this point, from the **** show our defensive corps has put on, I can't think that he would be any worse. So long as we get rid of one or two of the usual suspects it should even out and we should get someone willing to play with an edge.

I'm more than happy with any moves to acquire Phaneuf so long as they don't include a 1st rd. pick, Tats, Goose, Mantha, Larkin, Mrazek or Ouellet.

Zetterberg4Captain · Apr 19, 2015

TheAlmightyWiener said:
At this point, from the **** show our defensive corps has put on, I can't think that he would be any worse. So long as we get rid of one or two of the usual suspects it should even out and we should get someone willing to play with an edge.

I'm more than happy with any moves to acquire Phaneuf so long as they don't include a 1st rd. pick, Tats, Goose, Mantha, Larkin, Mrazek or Ouellet.

i would trade the 2016 1st rd pick and try and get back pittsburghs 2016 2nd rd pick

toronto is entering a full 5 year rebuild, while i have no doubt they would like an additional 1st rounder this year that franchise isnt going to shy away from accumulating as many 1st rd picks in the coming three years as it can

Frk It · Apr 19, 2015

Sami said:
Kronwall - Green
DeKeyser - Marchenko
Quincey - Ouellet

I'd be fine with that. Although, I'm not sure if the first pair is the right place for Green.

We're not getting rid of Ericsson. I would love to, but it's not happening.

Satrebil · Apr 19, 2015

Can't believe some of the takes in this thread. Phaneuf would immediately improve this piss-poor defense.

The Zetterberg Era · Apr 19, 2015

Sami said:
Kronwall - Green
DeKeyser - Marchenko
Quincey - Ouellet

I'd be fine with that. Although, I'm not sure if the first pair is the right place for Green.

Teams would camp out in front of crease with that team we would get murdered.

Who is the crease clear here? Q? DeKeyser gaining 20 lbs this season?

I actually like the idea of for once having Phaneuf and Ericsson out there bouncing guys out of what they want to do. Are they great defensively, not so much but they also should both be playing lower in the lineup and moving Q for a pick and just the roster spot out along with hopefully Weiss and Smith in the Phaneuf deal and you can still chase Green, especially if Toronto retains anything.

Frk It · Apr 19, 2015

The Zetterberg Era said:
Teams would camp out in front of crease with that team we would get murdered.

Who is the crease clear here? Q? DeKeyser gaining 20 lbs this season?

I actually like the idea of for once having Phaneuf and Ericsson out there bouncing guys out of what they want to do. Are they great defensively, not so much but they also should both be playing lower in the lineup and moving Q for a pick and just the roster spot out along with hopefully Weiss and Smith in the Phaneuf deal and you can still chase Green, especially if Toronto retains anything.

Good point, but that's really all E is good for. It's not worth keeping him just for that reason IMO, if you could find someone to actually take that contract, which I doubt.

But yeah that line-up you responded to would really struggle in that area, though I do think they would be good in many other areas.

Q has been pretty chippy and physical this year, so he may be able to help a bit?

I really don't know how you fix the defense, but they are just not good enough as it is.

The Zetterberg Era · Apr 19, 2015

Frk It said:
Good point, but that's really all E is good for. It's not worth keeping him just for that reason IMO, if you could find someone to actually take that contract, which I doubt.

But yeah that line-up you responded to would really struggle in that area, though I do think they would be good in many other areas.

Q has been pretty chippy and physical this year, so he may be able to help a bit?

I really don't know how you fix the defense, but they are just not good enough as it is.

I move Q because we can probably get a 2nd or 3rd for him. He shouldn't have a future here beyond this contract. His turnaround in play has a certain degree of DeKeyser carrying him, I think he has improved and the physicality is certainly welcome but I still ship him this off-season. Especially since in my opinion that allows a double swoop for Green and Phaneuf. Ericsson goes down to the third period and PK guy that he is, he is good at that role. He also can play with a lot more nastiness as he doesn't conserve his energy nearly as much. It is what I would like to see in all honesty.

Kronwall - Green
DeKeyser - Phaneuf
Ericsson - Marchenko
Ouellet/Jensen

You then trade either Howard or Ericsson entering the off-seaosn and the other goes to Vegas in the allocation draft. Freeing a couple of the spots. IF Ericsson is really good in that third pairing heavy pk role you could reconsider but that would be my plan.

For all the hand-ringing both Howard and Ericsson would be very attractive options should they be left exposed in the expansion draft.

Frk It · Apr 19, 2015

The Zetterberg Era said:
I move Q because we can probably get a 2nd or 3rd for him. He shouldn't have a future here beyond this contract. His turnaround in play has a certain degree of DeKeyser carrying him, I think he has improved and the physicality is certainly welcome but I still ship him this off-season. Especially since in my opinion that allows a double swoop for Green and Phaneuf. Ericsson goes down to the third period and PK guy that he is, he is good at that role. He also can play with a lot more nastiness as he doesn't conserve his energy nearly as much. It is what I would like to see in all honesty.

Kronwall - Green
DeKeyser - Phaneuf
Ericsson - Marchenko
Ouellet/Jensen

You then trade either Howard or Ericsson entering the off-seaosn and the other goes to Vegas in the allocation draft. Freeing a couple of the spots. IF Ericsson is really good in that third pairing heavy pk role you could reconsider but that would be my plan.

For all the hand-ringing both Howard and Ericsson would be very attractive options should they be left exposed in the expansion draft.

Always forget about expansion, and the Vegas scenario.

That could really work to our benefit if we play our cards right.

#1 priority is getting someone to play alongside Kronwall, so we can move Ericsson down like you said. No one is cut out from for that role, and we have too many people playing above their skill set in terms of role.

I would like to either see a Ericsson-Marchenko pair like you said, or even Dekeyser-Marchenko, but either way I like Marchenko as a full-time guy next year.

Holland NEEDS to find a RD for the top pair before the start of the 15-16 season. Whether that's FA or trades, I don't really care. But we can't just keep deploying these same guys and expecting things to get better. We're just shuffling around the same crap, and it's not changing anything.

Trading for Phaneuf and putting him as the #2 RD and not getting anyone to pair with Kronwall would be pointless.

sarcastro · Apr 19, 2015

The team obviously doesn't view Ericsson as the liability he is most nights, or they wouldn't keep him in the top pair. Highly unlikely he'd be left unprotected in an expansion draft, no matter how much he deserves it or how obviously lousy he is to the rest of us.

It's fun to dream, but don't get your hopes up.

The Zermanator · Apr 19, 2015

TheAlmightyWiener said:
At this point, from the **** show our defensive corps has put on, I can't think that he would be any worse. So long as we get rid of one or two of the usual suspects it should even out and we should get someone willing to play with an edge.

I'm more than happy with any moves to acquire Phaneuf so long as they don't include a 1st rd. pick, Tats, Goose, Mantha, Larkin, Mrazek or Ouellet.

I'd move Ouellet for the right piece given the way Marchenko's shown he can play.

Frk It · Apr 19, 2015

The Zermanator said:
I'd move Ouellet for the right piece given the way Marchenko's shown he can play.

I would trade any of the defensive prospects, including Marchenko. If we can package them in a deal that brings in a good proven player.

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