the top 4 is 4 guys, and presumably we're working with 4 x 31 = 124 as the body of "top 4" dmen in the NHL. If a guy is above average in that group, that would mean he is above the #62 mark, which would make him a top pairing defenseman in literal terms
you mean he's like Gardiner in that he's very good for stretches then not good for stretches?
I would give both credit for being #3 dmen who can play up at times. I would like to get Petry on the Leafs
when you talk about things like "top 4D" on a trade forum, it should be set to the backdrop of the league because teams won't value pieces based on how good they are compared to their current team mates.
1st+2nd+B prospect is a little rich but not crazy, calling Liljegren who's in everyone's top 50 and most top 30's a B prospect is crazy though. Petry is a bandaid solution, I wouldn't include Liljegren in a deal for him because Liljegren has a chance to be long term solution
Liljgren isn't a b prospect. He's the closest thing we have to a blue chip prospect right now
there would be 62 top pairing D by definition though, right? So anywhere from 30 to 50 (which he is not) would place him as a definite top pairing guy and borderline #1 in the best case scenario. Would you see Gardiner in that 30-50 range as well given the similarities - good possession players in a high event manner, both prone to stretches of brilliant play followed by stretches of poor play, Gardiner with 43 and 50pt years in his last two
Why is it everyone on these threads zeros in on one word and completely ignores the ones proceeding it? I fully expected this response as soon as I posted it. I don't even disagree with your assessment that he's a fringe "A" prospect but what do you find difficult to understand about the phrase "closest thing we have to". That doesn't mean I called him a blue chip, that means we consider him close to one or at the very least value him as higher than a b prospect.
that's why I removed the context of each team. If Petry is a 30-50 Dman he's a worthy #2 on most teams, and that's an over-rating of him. He's a good player to have as your #3, capable of carrying a 2nd pairing and of playing on the 1st pairing in stretches...which sounds exactly as if I'm describing Gardiner
I don't think Petry's contract is a "value", it's the opposite by outward appearances - he's tied for 27th on the list of highest paid dmen in the NHL. He'll continue to fall down that list as new contracts are signed but it's a long way until he's paid at the same level as he ranks in the echelon of the league's dmen
Petry is not a top 30 dman, he's overpaid. The term is a good thing but the AAV is above his level of contribution by a margin that a team would likely deal with to get him. He's not Alzner level overpaid, but he is overpaid
Again, you're taking one word out of what I said and throwing was everything else out of context. I even reiterated that I don't consider him blue chip but that he's the next best thing we have to that in out system. I'll repeat myself there, he isn't a blue chip prospect, but he's out top prospect so WE value him as a blue chip
hard to argue that he isn't - he's in the top 30 dmen in the NHL for pay, he's not in the top 60 for performance. It's unlikely that he earns his contract in the final year of it. That said, he's not obscenely overpaid
