Peter Mueller or Jiri Hudler

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  1. nally

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    Just thoughts on who will have a more productive NHL career. Looking mostly for people who have seen either of them play...especially if you have seen both play.
     
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    Mueller.
     
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    It's not really fair for Hudler. He's an NHL player but not a regular one...right now and he's not producing all that much four years after being draft. Hudler will be an ok NHLer. Mueller is dominant in the WHL not even one month after being draft. If they both reach the NHL as regular, Mueller will be the most productive.
     
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    From what i have HEARD, i don't think it will be close. Mueller. Take it with a pinch of salt as I've only seen hudler play twice and that was televised...
     
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    Don't want to step on anyones toes and start some kind of flamming war.

    But am I the only one here who defenitly don't like Muellers style at all?

    My opinion on him is that he will be a player who only will have success when he gets the proper support, and when he don't he will only hurt his team. He never gets involved in the early stages of a play, he kind of floats in a good position untill someone else makes a strong play.

    He reminds me allot of Jeff O'Neil. Someone who will capatilize playing in a situation were he is a goto player, but never really be a factor when it counts...

    He do got allot of talent though. I am just not crazy about him at all.
     
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    I'd hope your comments wouldn't start a flame war, Ola, but who knows around HF. ;)

    I'd disagree. I think the kids got tremendous skill, and is going to succeed at the NHL level far more than Hudler (which isn't to say that Hudler won't eventually get more consistent minutes).
     
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    Easy one. Mueller.
     
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    What are you basing your opinion on-the WJC's? If so, I don't think you have the correct read on Mueller at all. With Everett, he's the straw that stirs the drink and is a force in all three zones. Not only is he a tremendous offensive player, but very good defensively and a leader as well. The only issue I have with him is he needs to shoot more, but that's a hard point to get across to some players, especially exceptional playmakers like Mueller.
     
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    Ask this question when Mueller get's to the big league because for now it's impossibe to answer this.

    Hudler dominated every other league he played in outside the NHL, right now he's ok but he's also not getting enough chances, I don't think he'll be a star but I can imagine a career similar to a guy like Ray Whitney or even Martin Straka.

    As of now Mueller has a higher value in a trade, but that does't mean he's the better player since we don't really know.
     
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    I think/know Mueller will be given a better opportunity than Hudler has been given because of their draft stature alone. Mueller is a better skater and has marginally better vision than Hudler and has better size as well, but hands wise Hudler is on top. Also, until this year Hudler has not shown the greatest drive to succeed.

    Mueller gets my vote. (Big suprise, eh?)
     
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    I don't like either but Mueller for me.
     
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    Hudler hasn't "dominated" in any North American league. He had three seasons in the AHL, two of which were below a ppg. In this third season, he led his team in points. But, he only had 36 goals and he was on a team with a 50+ goal scorer.

    Hudler, IMO, lacks the size, grit, and drive to ever make an impact in the NHL. To me, he looks like the kind of guy who can put up big numbers in the AHL (after a few seasons -when he is older and more experienced than other players in the league) but never do anything in the majors.

    Mueller, if the stars align, could be a star.

    This is an easy choice. Mueller by a landslide.
     
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    Kid was 21 last year, not 38....and part of the reason Hudler played with a 50 goal scorer was because he was the one feeding those passes to set it up. And being a top scorer in the AHL with 96 points is pretty damn good to me for someone so young.
     
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    I didn't say that 96 points wasn't "good.' But, that was also his third season in the AHL and 96 points was hardly a "dominating" number as suggested by the above poster. Hudler was NEVER a "dominant" player in any North American league.

    And, you could argue that he had a 50 goal scorer on his team because of his own playmaking. But, another possibility is that Hudler's first season with a high number of assists happened to reflect the productivity of other players on his roster.

    As for the age issue, Hudler was actually in his third AHL season when he put up those numbers, and he was 22-YO, a few years older and a lot more experienced than the other 19 and 20-YO rookies.
     
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    ditto:yo:
     
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    But, that was his first full season in the AHL due to injuries and other matters. Also, there are only a handful of guys his age 19 and 20 who are playing in the AHL. Most are either in junior or college.
    Don't get me wrong, I not saying his is the next coming of Gretzky,but he has put up solid numbers when healthy in every league he has played in.
     
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    And your middle point there doesn't hold very well either. Are there any possible 50 goal scorers in Grand Rapids this year? Or is Mclean going to score 50 goals again this year where ever he is at? No, and I'll put money on that.
     
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    I totally disagree with your entire first two paragraphs. Hudler was a dominant player last year in Grand Rapids with 96 points. He was the reason MacLean even came close to 60 goals (56 goals I believe). Also look at his previous two years one in which he was brand new to the continent, language and aggresive brand of hockey played here and he still gets 49 points in 57 games in the AHL at 20 years old. His next season he is dealing with injury issues as well as his fathers failling health back in the republic and still manages to put up 34 points in 52 AHL games as well as 7 points in 7 Czech league games while tending to his father. Don MacLean had never had more than 33 goals before and will not ever come close to duplicate the goal output he had with Hudler feeding him in the future.

    Hudler has nine goals this year in the NHL (his rookie year) in 49 games while playing only 8:28 average ice time per game. If Hudler was 3 inches talle, 15 pounds heavier this debate would be much closer don't you think?

    I have not been overly high on Mueller, but, I would give him the nod over Huds on possible future potential. Mostly because he will be given much more of an opportunity.
     
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    I never said his numbers weren't "solid." What I said was that he had not DOMINATED the AHL as the above poster suggested.
     
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    If by "productive" you mean most points, I'm going to have to say Jiri Hudler.

    Hudler has uncanny skills. Sure, he looks like he's 16 years old and never really goes into the corners and even kind of skates slow, but my feeling is that the Red Wings will continue to develop him and let him figure out the league. In a few years, he'll be front line material and his point production will improve just as it did in the AHL.

    Mueller is already a better overall player than Hudler. He's similar to Hudler in that they both fit the Power Play specialists/playmaker role. Except that Mueller can play defense too.

    But I just have a feeling that Hudler might end up in the same stratosphere as Datsyuk/Zetterberg. He has some wizard-like vision that few others in the league have
     
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    I did't say he dominated every year he played, I said he dominated every league he played in outside the NHL, really there's only two leagues he played in, AHL and the top Czech league, he played in Russia as well and scored 6 points in 11 games but that's not enough to judge.

    Hudler dominated both the Czech league and the AHL, not every year but eventually got around and was dominant, and this is from someone who saw enough games of his in the AHL (Not just watching stats like the majority of you).

    The bottom line is I have not seen Mueller play live so I'm not going to pass a judgment, but at the same time I think the correct thing to say is Mueller has the better potential, not the better player because Mueller has yet to step a foot in the big league and you even said that IF the stars align, he could be a star, well until then this comparison is not valid imo.
     
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    Hudler is doing well in limited minutes, and I think he'll probably eventually develop into a solid second-tier scorer for Detroit.

    But this isn't really a fair comparison. Mueller is (with the possible exception of Backstrom) the best offensive prospect in the game outside of the NHL right now. He's going to be a top-class #1 center putting up 50 assists/year for the next 12-15 years. Oozes vision, talent, and playmaking ability, and makes everyone who plays with him better.
     
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    Probably likely to be next season. He was close to making the Coyotes last October (lucky for him, he didnt).
     
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    I hope with every fiber of my being this statement is true.
     

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